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Dec 23 2021 10:40pm
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High crime area residents shouldn't be allowed to be jurors.


Just say what you mean without the dog-whistle
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Dec 23 2021 10:55pm
I believe it was a genuine accident and she didn't have any intention to kill and I think her sentence should reflect this. It's hard to be a police officer in the US today because society demands so much more out of them and the consequences of making a mistake are life altering for the officer and those he/she interacts with.
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Dec 23 2021 11:08pm
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Just say what you mean without the dog-whistle


I just did. Do you even read posts?
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Dec 23 2021 11:15pm
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I'd be curious if Bazi could corroborate any of this. I have no idea how these things work in the ER/autopsy.

Literally every aspect of this trial was dripping in perfunctory baseness though. $26 million? High crime area residents shouldn't be allowed to be jurors.


It was all presented at the trial, contrary to what Thor says, and laid out pretty plainly so a layman could understand it. They went over what petechial hemorrhaging is and how it would be expected in any death caused by manual strangulation, but wasn't present here and that is evidence against. They went over how tissue trauma and bruising are present when you press into someone with significant force, but weren't present here, evidence against. They delved into the medical history of Floyd and the lethal dose of fentanyl in his body.

And I have to stress this over and over again: The prosecution relied entirely on theories-in-spite-of-evidence. The prosecution tried to explain away Floyd having a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system by the possibility that he somehow had an extreme tolerance for fentanyl and had built it up over the years and could withstand large doses with no ill effect. The defense pointed out that the only evidence in the case is that Floyd had a history of nearly fatal overdoses on the exact same drug combos and extremely severe late-stage "should already be dead" levels of heart disease. The prosecution tried to introduce doubt in the case (remember: role reversal, defense is supposed to be the ones trying to bring in doubt and prosecutors waving it away) by saying that the ratio of metabolized::unmetabolized fentanyl was inconsistent with most overdose deaths. The defense pointed out how this makes sense with Floyd having been high on fentanyl throughout the day prior, then consumed a large amount as he was being arrested. Unlike most overdose deaths, where its all in one go and has no time to metabolize. A logical explanation. The prosecution did not counter this, they did not even attempt a theory to explain those numbers in particular, they only needed to raise the doubts and rely on the prejudiced jury to convict when in doubt. When the defense pointed out how there was no physical trauma or any markings indicating injury of any kind, none of the petechial hemorrhaging or bruising that would be present with strangulation, the prosecutors tried to introduce doubt by laying out a theory that Chauvin could have exerted just the right amount of consistent low pressure to restrict airflow without injury, the goldilocks hypothesis. They had no evidence to support this, nothing to point to that could be tested to see if this was true or false, nothing to isolate for whether Floyd just died of drugs or not. It was pure speculation.
Where was the evidence of Floyd having a tolerance to fentanyl? There was an abundance to the contrary. Where was the explanation for Floyd's ratio of fentanyl:norafentanyl? Where was the evidence of the magic knee?
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Dec 23 2021 11:16pm
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It was all presented at the trial, contrary to what Thor says, and laid out pretty plainly so a layman could understand it. They went over what petechial hemorrhaging is and how it would be expected in any death caused by manual strangulation, but wasn't present here and that is evidence against.


So the jury got the full story and came to a conclusion that's different than you.

Believe it or not, but that's the system working fine. Them disagreeing with you does not mean it's wrong.
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So the jury got the full story and came to a conclusion that's different than you.

Believe it or not, but that's the system working fine. Them disagreeing with you does not mean it's wrong.


So Dred Scott was the system working fine?
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Dec 24 2021 12:21am
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So Dred Scott was the system working fine?


In that case they didn't have video evidence of Scott living in a free territory for years at a time.

Keep searching for a coherent point. You'll find one eventually.
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 24 2021 12:21am)
In that case they didn't have video evidence of Scott living in a free territory for years at a time.

Keep searching for a coherent point. You'll find one eventually.


He had his due process and jury trials (3 of them actually) and heard his appeals all the way up to the supreme court, the system did everything on a procedural level it was laid out to do in the constitution, and it came to a determination he disagreed with.
I'm glad to know there are no innocent black men in prison today and no wrongful convictions in America. We should cancel the innocence project.
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Dec 24 2021 12:28am
Simple concept.. the GUN and the TASER look feel have different weights etc.
To say she cannot tell the difference as she pulls the trigger. She is guilty.


COPE

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Dec 24 2021 12:29am
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Quote (tman65ky @ Dec 23 2021 11:55pm)
I believe it was a genuine accident and she didn't have any intention to kill and I think her sentence should reflect this. It's hard to be a police officer in the US today because society demands so much more out of them and the consequences of making a mistake are life altering for the officer and those he/she interacts with.


I agree completely, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing.
If we’re allowing white trash high school dropouts to detain people at gunpoint there should be some kind of accountability when they execute people.
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