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will have to see what happens once xi is gone. he is like late 60s so he still has time to rule. will be ironic to see china become a beacon of freedom and opportunity as the west falls.


Might well be the case. People like to say China is terrible for its genocides, but like, the native american genocides weren't that long ago and were way more brutal.
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Might well be the case. People like to say China is terrible for its genocides, but like, the native american genocides weren't that long ago and were way more brutal.


somehow it seems to be swept under the rug. the residential school killings in canada for example...thousands of children dead. literally hear nothing coming of it except a few court cases. i was under the impression that hte killing of children would warrant massive outrage - regardless of gender/race. guess i was wrong.
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somehow it seems to be swept under the rug. the residential school killings in canada for example...thousands of children dead. literally hear nothing coming of it except a few court cases. i was under the impression that hte killing of children would warrant massive outrage - regardless of gender/race. guess i was wrong.


Even today it doesn't. We've never had national attention on a missing black girl. It's only ever missing white women.

The racial underpinnings in the system are still very much there. They're just hiding behind a very thin layer of plausible deniability now that it's not acceptable to just outright state it.
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Very possible. China has proven they can respond much more effectively and dynamically than the U.S.


I mean, when the government can implement whatever they want without needing anyones permission and anyone who speaks out against it is "silenced" its pretty easy for the government to respond in a better way - but at the cost of civil liberty which in our society is too great a cost for basically any bill.

Ive never met anyone who actually supports 30%-40% inflation over the next 3 years, its crazy to see you guys actively supporting this bill. I guess if youre on welfare, the government will adjust your welfare to compensate and you can still be a loser at everyone else's expense. Im more concerned about the people who work hard to build something for themselves just to see it ripped away because it is devalued to nothing - or my concern is for people on a fixed income who are now forced in to poverty after working their entire lives because lazy, useless fucks want free shit. My parents are about to retire - their savings and pension are about to turn to shit. I doubt theyll be able to retire if this goes through.


It is not the governments job to provide you with anything other than basic protection services and to represent your nations interests (Above everyone elses btw) on the national stage. It is not their job to supply you a house, buy you food, pay for your gas, pay for your education, pay for your healthcare.
You can argue that a basic, temporary safety net is a type of protection service, but there should be a cost to it. In other countries, if you get welfare, you dont get to vote unless you pay it back. The "Gib Free Pls" crowd will always vote for the "Gib Free Pls" party to continue to "Gib Free Pls" policies. If everybody on my block votes for me to pay their property taxes, sure its democratic, but its fuckin stupid.

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somehow it seems to be swept under the rug. the residential school killings in canada for example...thousands of children dead. literally hear nothing coming of it except a few court cases. i was under the impression that hte killing of children would warrant massive outrage - regardless of gender/race. guess i was wrong.


Are you insane? Theyve paid out because of these schools so many times its a joke here. I live in an indigenous majority area. I am a minority where I live. These people keep getting huge sums of money every few years because of this or that or the other thing. The payout for the residential school in this area was paid out like 20 years ago.

Also, the numbers for that are being intentionally inflated. The 715 bodies they found in Saskatchewan at Cowessess for example - where they found the bodies was a KNOWN COMMUNITY CEMETERY and MOST OF THE BODIES WERENT OF CHILDREN. The grave markers were gone, yes, because a fire had burned out that cemetery in like 1950. Still to this day I see "715 dead kids at Cowessess First Nation".

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Very possible. China has proven they can respond much more effectively and dynamically than the U.S.


They have proven to be able to respond more quickly, yes, but that's a function of them being a dictatorship with no checks and balances on the rulers.
More effective, I'm not so sure about that. Their system is superior as long as the government is making the right decisions. The lack of a separation of powers, however, means that a single person's misjudgement of an important issue could easily lead the country into committing huge policy blunders. See Mao's Great Leap Forward.

I'm still convinced that a functioning democracy which is effective at balancing and coordinating interests is the superior system in the long run - the problem is just that Western democracies are increasingly dysfunctional and failing in this regard.

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They have proven to be able to respond more quickly, yes, but that's a function of them being a dictatorship with no checks and balances on the rulers.
More effective, I'm not so sure about that. Their system is superior as long as the government is making the right decisions. The lack of a separation of powers, however, means that a single person's misjudgement of an important issue could easily lead the country into committing huge policy blunders. See Mao's Great Leap Forward.

I'm still convinced that a functioning democracy which is effective at balancing and coordinating interests is the superior system in the long run - the problem is just that Western democracies are increasingly dysfunctional and failing in this regard.


We shall see. Western democracies locked up suspected communists once upon a time.
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We shall see. Western democracies locked up suspected communists once upon a time.


And that they stopped and have now directed their ire at patriots and average people who have modest divergent thoughts has been one of the primary reasons for the irreversible death spiral. And half the country are cackling jackasses laughing at and sabotaging the defenders on the walls as the barbarians prepare to remove everyone's heads. Because at least we have no more mean tweets guys
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Amazing how the only man in the democrat party who isn’t a mindless tribalist and thinks legislation should be negotiated instead of simply rammed through is the fucking demon if the party.


Think about that. The only democrat who says yo let’s cut most of the bullshit out and only leave in what makes sense is Manchin.


But that isn’t good enough. They want everything and right now. You think 90% of democrats have even read the bill? Guarantee they did not.


only absolute submission and conformity is acceptable. No wonder hard left liberals are so sympathetic to Muslim extremism, they kind of have the same no compromises approach. Or is it that they both not so subtly hate Jews? Or both?

Also with those speaking about polls, can someone please refer me to the poll where West Virginian's said "yes we want the free stuff, and no we don't care how much inflation it causes."

Because I've noticed this strange phenomenon of American voters where they will generally tell a pollster they are in favor of whatever free thing, but then when it gets down to the nitty gritty of the consequences suddenly things get real . . .

But hey who cares about the costs, just straight up telling people lies seems like a good solution. Dem's are quite good at telling lies about the true cost of legislation, and then laughing at voters for being dumb enough to believe the lies. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/10/aca-architect-the-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-led-us-to-hide-obamacares-tax-hikes-and-subsidies-from-the-public/?sh=54c793bb7c05)

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And that they stopped and have now directed their ire at patriots and average people who have modest divergent thoughts has been one of the primary reasons for the irreversible death spiral. And half the country are cackling jackasses laughing at and sabotaging the defenders on the walls as the barbarians prepare to remove everyone's heads. Because at least we have no more mean tweets guys


How incredibly dumb this post is. It just bleeds white fragility
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Meanwhile WV is reliant on blue state handouts so that the methheads can feed themselves.

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