Quote (fender @ Sep 6 2021 06:55pm)

TIL: the vast majority of modern western nations granting women a fundamental right makes them "la-la land", while religiously motivated, sharia style backwards legislation is "normal" to you, lol.

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"July 11, 1924, Fish found eight-year-old Beatrice Kiel playing alone on her parents' farm on Staten Island, New York. He offered her money to come and help him look for rhubarb. She was about to leave the farm when her mother chased Fish away. Fish left but returned later to the Kiels' barn, where he tried to sleep but was discovered by Beatrice's father and forced to leave. Three days later, Fish killed Francis McDonnell, also on Staten Island. During 1924, the 54-year-old Fish, suffering from psychosis, felt that God was commanding him to torture and sexually mutilate children.[10]"

Saying they were religiously motivated that is all

Quote (EndlessSky @ 6 Sep 2021 14:20)

The original question was whether it was right or wrong. You are moving the goalposts slightly.

Religion doesn't innately make people evil or violent is the point I want to express.

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if you think most humans don't need religion or a higher entity (not a weak man like yourself) to have a framework for what is morally right vs wrong, then you are arrogant and egotistical

Quote (Duckling @ 6 Sep 2021 14:26)

ah excellent, i have dismantled your argument and you now retort to posting anecdotal evidence.

Quote (Tittys @ Sep 6 2021 02:27pm)

i was only responding to mostly

not saying religion makes people bad but it also dosnt automatically make people good either
everyone is responsible for their own actions and moral compass

you claim that humans need religion to know what is right or wrong,and that is just flat out ignorant

Quote (fender @ Sep 6 2021 11:19am)

either most western nations "think" that, effectively making them "la-la land" by your definition,

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or you simply don't quite understand what "right to life" means.

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either way, your backwards views might be "normal" for people like you, but fortunately most modern secular nations see that differently.

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a more honest framing of the issue is that your morals should not trump a woman's bodily autonomy. you apparently think they do though...

Quote (Crunkt @ Sep 6 2021 11:21am)

It is argued that without christianity holding back the power of the sciences for over 500 years, it implies we would be way farther ahead than we are now without it.

Quote (Duckling @ 6 Sep 2021 14:30)

they do, thinking else-wise is ignornant when you look at what people have done WITHOUT religion vs what they have done WITH religion. you're purposely neglecting all the goods that have happened with religion (i.e. family unit) and dismissing what have happened without religion (genocide due to lack of value of human life).


ALSO, it is very clear that certain religions are good others are not. Christianity and Judaism are both good, radical Islam is not

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it is very clear that certain religions are good others are not.

Quote (Tittys @ Sep 6 2021 02:27pm)

not saying religion makes people bad but it also dosnt automatically make people good either
everyone is responsible for their own actions and moral compass

Quote (JessiWan @ 6 Sep 2021 20:33)

If you want to insist so badly that I accuse the West of being la-la land, go right ahead.



I think I do. You sir, on the other hand, can't read.

But keep shrieking though.



Ok, so you think my views are "backwards" and I am "not normal". Your opinions are noted.



The entity that trumps a woman's bodily autonomy is not my morals. It's the fetus' right to life.

Quote (fender @ Sep 6 2021 11:45am)

well, it obviously depends on the context. your views are "normal" amongst evangelicals and other fundamentalist religious groups, just not if you look at modern western nations as a whole. where are you from, buddy? are you religious?