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Jul 15 2021 11:29am
Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Jul 2021 13:14)
i understand, im saying in general across the board i roll my eyes at ANY pandering to minorities, as my worst reaction. i dont care enough to get upset, but im observant so it registers.


guess what. they are (supposedly) going to be playing a separate national anthem for black people at nfl games. because nothing says unity like “separate but equal” based on skin color (a characteristic which, unless you are sammy sosa, people have no control over)

no word on any separate anthem for asians, south asians, hispanics, or native americans (ie: yellow national anthem, dark brown national anthem, brown national anthem, red national anthem etc etc)

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I thought it was beyond silly that people were angry that a woman was on the cover of a game made about a war filled with woman combatants. Shows people will get upset over anything, especially not being pandered to.


Rosie the riveter has people thinking women didnt fight, its an american centric idea.

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guess what. they are going to be playing a separate national anthem for black people at nfl games. because nothing says unity like “separate but equal” based on skin color (a characteristic which, unless you are sammy sosa, people have no control over)

no word on any separate anthem for asians, south asians, hispanics, or native americans


damn who's gonna produce that banger?

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jul 15 2021 12:30pm)
Having one of each race is tokenism.

I haven't seen anybody saying everybody is entitled to a 5 room house and a Tesla. Not like $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare will buy you that, and those are the most highly debated issues. Once you go way far left you end up with people thinking Tesla shouldnt exist, not saying everybody deserves a Tesla. So I'll be honest I don't think you're railing against a caricature.


yes, i was being hyperbolic for effect.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 15 2021 10:51am)
wanting to be the first is being a token? only feeling comfortable doing something you've seen someone do first is being a coward. its the reason we have people bitching about Bezos wealth that havent even tried to run a lemonade stand, let alone withstand decades of no notable profits, or tying your entire net worth to the stock of a company that didnt make much if anything until recently. button pushers that want to live in a 5 room suburbs house and drive a Tesla.


Having one of each race is tokenism.

I haven't seen anybody saying everybody is entitled to a 5 room house and a Tesla. Not like $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare will buy you that, and those are the most highly debated issues. Once you go way far left you end up with people thinking Tesla shouldnt exist, not saying everybody deserves a Tesla. So I'll be honest I don't think you're railing against a caricature.
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Jul 15 2021 11:39am
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guess what. they are (supposedly) going to be playing a separate national anthem for black people at nfl games. because nothing says unity like “separate but equal” based on skin color (a characteristic which, unless you are sammy sosa, people have no control over)

no word on any separate anthem for asians, south asians, hispanics, or native americans (ie: yellow national anthem, dark brown national anthem, brown national anthem, red national anthem etc etc)


National anthem said there will be no refuge for the slave, classy song.
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Jul 15 2021 11:46am
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National anthem said there will be no refuge for the slave, classy song.


to be fair, it was Key specifically talking about slave defectors who fought for the British, not a statement in favor of say the Fugitive Slave Act.

although, to be more fair, Key was pro slavery.
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National anthem said there will be no refuge for the slave, classy song.


Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Jul 2021 13:46)
to be fair, it was Key specifically talking about slave defectors who fought for the British, not a statement in favor of say the Fugitive Slave Act.

although, to be more fair, Key was pro slavery.


oh lookie i “gaslighted” snipa into doing history research for you skinned. or are you pro-british crown now or something???
*LAUGH OUT LOUD*
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oh lookie i “gaslighted” snipa into doing history research for you skinned. or are you pro-british crown now or something???
*LAUGH OUT LOUD*


Copy paste excellence post response #3
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Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 15 2021 05:17am)
you can still make is so a legislative majority is required, just not all of the legislature. if 7 out of 10 senators agree, why wait? america doesnt have enough gridlock?


Texas requires 2/3rds of it's members to be present. I'm not sure why that's the case. Maybe they are paranoid that all the Democrats could force quorum with only a handful of Republicans there and do some crazy stuff?
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Quote (IceMage @ Jul 15 2021 12:13pm)
I'm having a hard time understanding why expanded voting rights should be rolled back because the pandemic is mostly over. If making voting easier does not result in a bunch of fraud, why would Republicans oppose it? And if making voting easier benefits Democrats, how is that inherently bad? It's almost like you're arguing, "when we make voting easier for people, Democrats get more votes, so voting should not be easy". It's not an argument based on any principles, it's an extension of the long history of voting restrictions in America that disproportionally target black people, and harms Democrats. Is that what you're supporting from Germany?


Should ballot harvesting be allowed? There are arguments for and against. But that's a discussion we should have, not hand-waved away.

It is otherwise important that elections be above reproach. Eliminating any and all safeguards because it may result in a handful of additional ballots is counter-productive if it leads to decreased public trust in the electoral process. We made a major transition to voting by mail in 2020, and it's not a surprise that allegations of fraud carried far more weight than they otherwise would have. The argument that "We don't have to look for fraud because there is no fraud" is circular, and it's obviously unacceptable in a first-world democracy. I am not aware of serious concerns re: voting fraud in Europe, and yet for the most part our European counterparts all enforce voter ID. Election integrity, especially if we're going to be voting more by mail, is paramount.
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Quote (IceMage @ 15 Jul 2021 18:13)
I'm having a hard time understanding why expanded voting rights should be rolled back because the pandemic is mostly over. If making voting easier does not result in a bunch of fraud, why would Republicans oppose it? And if making voting easier benefits Democrats, how is that inherently bad? It's almost like you're arguing, "when we make voting easier for people, Democrats get more votes, so voting should not be easy". It's not an argument based on any principles, it's an extension of the long history of voting restrictions in America that disproportionally target black people, and harms Democrats. Is that what you're supporting from Germany?


You're misunderstanding the case I made. I'm relatively agnostic on how easy or hard voting should be. But that's beside the point. The point is that going back to the voting rules which were in place from pre-2000 until 2019 cannot possibly be considered "an assault on democracy".



Regarding voting rules: I am of the opinion that every able-bodied adult should have the right to vote, but at the same time, I'm also of the opinion that it is better for society if the most stupid/ignorant/uninformed/unproductive segments of society do not exercise their right to vote at the same rate as the smarter, more informed, more politically interested. Requiring voters to put in at least some modest amount of effort to cast a ballot is a good thing imho. Since you mentioned Germany: did you guys know that Germany and pretty much all of Europe requires voter ID?

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