So you admit that voting for Democrats, even handing them total control like in California, does fuck all for tackling inequality?
Then we can vote for the party not vowing to take our privilege away in good conscience, can't we?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 4 2021 07:38pm

I can see most have been celebrating too much today.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 4 2021 07:46pm

How many times do I have to tell you directly that I WILL NOT GO OUT OF MY WAY TO DEFEND DEMOCRATS. I do not see Democrats generally as part of my camp, I actively see them as detrimental to the policies I think we should pass, and I do not hide my disdain for the party as a whole.

God damn you can be fucking stupid. Take two seconds to consider your audience.

After all of our conversations do you really think "But the state is run by democrats hurr durr" would give me pause for even a second?

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 4 2021 07:56pm

So communism HAS worked?

It was a semi-trollish post on my part anyway. I still believe there's some grain of truth to it though: no matter how much you dislike "corporate Democrats" and the DNC, you clearly prefer Democrats to the GOP. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you clearly consider the economic policies of Democrats to be better for the country and better at reducing inequality than what the GOP has to offer in this regard? Based on this background, it's at least curious that you admit that California, THE model state of Democratic rule which has one of the highest tax rates and degrees of redistribution in the nation, is nonetheless THE most unequal state of them all.

California is loaded with tech giants due to the presence of silicon valley. Even the best Democratic states aren't close to what I want, so that doesn't really matter, but it's also worth pointing out that in that regard they're set for failure due to being a mecca of high skill high pay jobs and where a lot of businesses start up.

I think Democrats are generally better for the country than Republicans, but that's like, where the Republicans are a 1/10 and Democrats are a 3/10. On their absolute best day, Democrats get like a 6.5/10 from me. Even AOC was quickly whipped by Pelosi.... and I was really hoping she would be able to stand up for herself.

Most days Democrats are paying lip service to some policies I like, and actively subverting them in action. Feelsbadman.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 4 2021 08:41pm

Iirc we've never had a stateless classless heirachiless property free society where everyone owns the means of production (which at some point must have been our bare hands)

But communism hasn't been tried. Also BTW is your body property? According to our communist intalectchualz

This might sound strange, but I know the feeling of not having a relevant party in my own country which I can wholeheartedly support. At least you Americans can blame your political misery on the two party system - here, we have 6 major parties and every single one of them is a dumpster fire. Additionally, every realistic coaltion after the general election this fall is depressing. *sigh*

Regarding California again: Silicon Valley alone doesn't explain why inequality in California exceeds that of states like Georgia or New York. The fact that an extremely high cost of living has driven out the middle class and that a huge amount of piss poor, underpaid farm workers came into the state also contributes to California's extreme socioeconomic stratification - and those things can be traced back to Democratic policies.

So, northern and southern Cali are totally different beasts. Northern Cali is basically Alabama, with a striking amount of similar economic problems.

Then there's the cities where they get massive amounts of money from East Asia, massive amounts of investment from silicon valley, etc. etc.

Lots of things all coming together to create horrible inequaltiy.



IMO we should largely move beyond representative democracy. We live in a time when the entire country has internet and we can easily allow people to vote using public/private keys. We should largely retool the education system to be comprehensive and thorough, with a large amount of philosophy, mathematics, science, and history and retool society accordingly. We could easily have a public/private key system with real-time photo ID verification on our phones and it would lead to more secure, easily auditable elections, encourage voter participation, and we could even have apps to read the prospective bills right on our phones weeks before voting deadlines.