Truth is, many jobs aren't meant to be careers (whether they "need" to be done or not). Also, why should we continue to accept that certain people are only worth "menial" labor? We have the capabilities to automate (almost) every field of unskilled work that pays what you would consider an unlivable wage. Why aren't we focusing on that and instead, working to provide the human beings with the skills necessary to qualify for jobs they may enjoy at the end of the day / feel rewarded for completing? Even your average farm has automated tasks associated with it these days....

IDK about you, but, to me Serf and Royalty societal structures died long ago and the remnants of them we see today is something I would like to see disappear too through teaching people valuable skills rather than seeing them as people to clean the toilets you don't want to, claiming compassion, but offering no meaningful escape theory other than the idea that every job should be paid the same without merit (whether you want to pay them $15 an hour or not, it's still not a compassionate stance). I think that change is far more important than your idea of a perfect world.

Also, why does it seem like lately (mostly on US economic discussions even though you don't live in the US), every post you sound very, very bitter in general as if you can personally relate through personal history / feel personally attacked when discussing generics? I can assure you for myself specifically, that's not the intention. Thought provoking debate is the only thing I am ever in search of.

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 8 2021 06:36pm

Ever think that maybe there is already not enough jobs as it is?
Without a ubi this is impossible.

Well....... How can there not be enough jobs, but simultaneously there is a resistance of unskilled labor refusing to return to work and leaving business owners in desperation for their perceived "exploitation"? I haven't seen any businesses close around me due to lack of employees.

That's a contradiction, honestly.

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 8 2021 06:40pm

There are enough jobs. I have salaries and hourly positions available in my company yet no qualified candidates. Most candidates are checking the box off for the unemployment claims

“I sought gainful employment”

It’s so bad that I brought in international candidates to fill roles because Americans are garbage and don’t want to work

This post was edited by Greater on Jun 8 2021 07:57pm

idealism is fun

unfortunately, we live in a reality

>theres a labor shortage but not enough jobs

lmfao


this in a sense

but at the end of the day in a free market people wont work for your firm if they gain more utility from working else where or not working at all

Reality can change, ask china's landlords.

Well…. Would you mind addressing the fact that’s been pointed out a few times as well?

How can there be an employee shortage and job shortage at the same time? I am just trying to understand the logistics.

And also - what about China? Don’t follow what you mean.

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 8 2021 09:11pm

Big country, job shortages are in regional areas, employee shortages are in tourist areas and inner cities.

While I will agree every job may not be the ideal distance some want, it doesn't mean the job doesn't exist or that one can't get it if they are willing to make some small sacrifices.

Take my step father for example - commuted (and still does) at least an hour to work every day and has done quite well for himself on his own merits throughout life.

Regarding inner cities - is it a true employee shortage by numbers? Or is it that they usually house a much higher volume of people and therefore, many more in total who are able but unwilling to work by default which makes it stand out more than say, the rural area you describe?

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 8 2021 09:29pm