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Jun 7 2021 01:16pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 7 2021 09:12pm)
Except you responded to me saying there is no true socialist countries by telling to move to one thus showing your sub 50 iq, so I replied that the social systems I want are already in place here.


If only you complaining tards (while living in a rich western country) would move to a true socialist country then you'd find out who's IQ is sub-50, lol.

Just do it ffs and enjoy your shit hole socialism, they need more peasants over there

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Quote (Djunior @ Jun 8 2021 05:16am)
If only you complaining tards (while living in a rich western country) would move to a true socialist country then you'd find out who's IQ is sub-50, lol.

Just do it ffs and enjoy your shit hole socialism, they need more peasants over there


I do not get what part you are not understanding about there not being any socialist countries.
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Jun 7 2021 01:49pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 7 2021 09:30pm)
I do not get what part you are not understanding about there not being any socialist countries.


Try Venezuela or Cuba. Let us know how you like it over there.
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Jun 7 2021 01:55pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 7 2021 03:49pm)
Try Venezuela or Cuba. Let us know how you like it over there.


cheap labor.
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Jun 7 2021 02:28pm
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Try Venezuela or Cuba. Let us know how you like it over there.


Both heavily sanctioned by the us.. any countries without your intervention?
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That's an interesting opinion.
Sadly, I do not agree.

We know there are cultural groups. So this means that the brain can be shaped in depth. Some people have similar opinions.
- I can honestly say that I can't see how this specific statement ties into capitalism as an economic model (devoid of emotion). Can you clarify?

Try to draw like Stephen Wiltshire. Try to memorize like Kim Peek. Try to calculate like Rudy Gergam. Try to lift 150 Kg like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
- those are their respective strengths and what opened the doors to any successes they may have experienced. This is personal merit defined in plain English. I agree with you.

You can not. The human body and the human spirit are capable of many things, but they need to be prepared to accomplish these things.
- Correct. I cannot. However, there are also many things in my professional life that I cannot do what co-workers are capable of and vice-versa, there are things that coworkers can't do that I can. This is the result of understanding you'll never be master of the universe and that teams with common goals (and willingness to contribute equally) are stronger than individuals. It is not an indication of "cant" just because while you may not be able to do everything, you found success using your own inherent strengths. That's success.

This is why it is fundamental to have charity.
- I am with you on charity. Not bragging - just facts - I donate $50 a month to St Judes and $35 a month to Shriners. With company match, St. Judes gets $100 a month and Shriners gets $70.

One of the greatest scientific creations is the theory of relativity, and it was not created by a capitalist. So, a little humility.
- you're comparing scientific study on one's own volition vs. clear intent to do something for profit. Not one in the same at all (and scientists these days are paid very handsome sums, so they aren't doing it out of the kindness of their hearts either).

The Americans spied on Dassault's work. So a little humility. By the Americans' own admission, America does not have a monopoly on intelligence and innovative creation.
- You've lost me with this one. Also, what is with the constant reference to "humility"? I don't think I said every other country is useless or unproductive. I think I did say that many of them have failed economic models and the financial stability of said countries proves it. They wouldnt need hand outs from the US otherwise

Could Albert Einstein's father have created the theory of relativity? No.
- No - he was good at what he was good at. Hence why he contributed what he did and others contribute what they do. That's the fundamentals of capitalism. Skills = merit = reward.

But he was able to educate and instruct his son Albert. He offered him all the elements necessary for him to become a genius.
- see above.

Capitalism is a system where people survive and are constantly exhausted.
- You really believe no one else gets tired because they may live under Socialism? You think the other economic models have really figured out how to fix all negatives in life? I mean, 8 hour days are rough enough -- now mix in the fact that even with high skills, you're still wondering where dinner is coming from tonight because you had to spend your salary on toilet paper and toothpaste. Seems more tiresome to me :unsure:

All this to say that some things are impossible for some of us.
Wrong - if it's not outside of your physical capabilities (i.e. an unfortunate disability like I referenced above), you can succeed by putting priority on the focuses you CAN excel at. One's lack of determination is the only reason it's impossible.

Ask Albert Einstein to work in a telephone call center. Maybe he would have done a terrible job. It doesn't mean he doesn't "want to", it just means he's designed to do something else.
- Again, wasn't his strength and he proved what his strength was long ago. Hence why he contributed what he did and others contribute what they do. That's the fundamentals of capitalism. Skills = merit = reward.

Every human has to do a job that suits them. The problem is that some people are suited for almost no job. Society has always looked down on artists.
- Then what does that say about their skillset if no one else thinks they bring enough value to the table? In life, when a vast majority of people are reaching the same conclusions, perhaps the common denominator might not be them.

Capitalism is a system that boycots artists and people with different talents.
- It boycotts nothing. I went to Ocean City MD a few times and there was a street artist on the boardwalk who made amazing creations with spray paint. i observed from afar the entire time and he walked away that night alone with around $1,000 (and no, he had no "white privilege" - he was actually Mexican).
One needs to bring talent that has value to the table - that isn't granted by default.


Capitalism is a system that prevents progress and discovery.
- The greatest medical innovation has come from a Capitalist society (i.e. the USA). This is literal fact and nothing more, but, there are many Canadians who fly into the US for specialized procedures for a reason. This is one example of a billion others

It's quite ironic since Americans love discovery.
- And we continue to discover and support quite a few nations around the world. You're correct, we love giving money away to those who did nothing to earn it (including our own citizens - definitely).

Obviously, when you kill all the original and different people, there is nothing left to discover.\
- Kill.... who? Please explain.

Americans are daleks. They love the purity of productivity and they eliminate all those that are under-productive. Capitalists are daleks.
- What is a dalek?


Apologies - long day wt work and I am just getting to this. Well, whether or not you agree with me is irrelevant because each is entitled to his/her own opinion, but, please see above for my responses.

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 7 2021 04:57pm
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Apologies - long day wt work and I am just getting to this. Well, whether or not you agree with me is irrelevant because each is entitled to his/her own opinion, but, please see above for my responses.


Chev has genuine mental illness. He comes and goes, but always posts in the same style. It's unfortunate, but he refuses to seek help.
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Jun 7 2021 04:19pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 7 2021 04:28pm)
Both heavily sanctioned by the us.. any countries without your intervention?


Well, in the spirit of fairness, The US had not a single thing to do with Marduro's decimation of that country for his own gain through the guise of "equity" (or the subsequent use of force up to and including running over protestors with tanks that supported his opposition in one of the most recent elections).

The US also didn't force Fidel Castro (and now his successor) to treat his citizens as subservients and deny them access to basic medical care / life necessities, either. That was their decision.

Anywho - I have been observing for some time and based on prior posts, there will be no follow-up to this even with response. I must stick with real, thought-provoking debate only, but this had to be said because the truth should never be obfuscated for political motivation or personal resentment towards another's way of life (whether of an envious nature or not).

Be well :)

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 7 2021 04:48pm
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 7 2021 03:08pm)
Chev has genuine mental illness. He comes and goes, but always posts in the same style. It's unfortunate, but he refuses to seek help.


I can think of at least 3-4 people alone in this sub-forum who probably refused it too.
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Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 8 2021 08:19am)
Well, in the spirit of fairness, The US had not a single thing to do with Marduro's decimation of that country for his own gain through the guise of "equity" (or the subsequent use of force up to and including running over protestors with tanks that supported his opposition in one of the most recent elections).

The US also didn't force Fidel Castro (and now his successor) to treat his citizens as subservients and deny them access to basic medical care / life necessities, either. That was their decision.

Anywho - I have been observing for some time and based on prior posts, there will be no follow-up to this even with response. I must stick with real, thought-provoking debate only, but this had to be said because the truth should never be obfuscated for political motivation or personal resentment towards another's way of life (whether of an envious nature or not).

Be well :)


Cuba has better healthcare than the USA..

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