A state must be able to maintain its own sovereignty to be legitimate. Israeli while tough as nails for its relative size can't boast this. Don't worry, big brother US got your back for now, not forever.

I'm well aware you're an Israeli citizen, and I'm not making proposals for how you guys iron out the problem. I am acknowledging that regardless of anything else, building settlements makes the problem worse, and only Israel has control over that.

Speculative argument.
We fought without the U.S support in the past In our most difficult times and will do it again If necessary. Don’t underestimate people protecting their homes. Irony is that We resemble the Palestinians in that matter.

Agree that it’s not making it any better.

lel. true dat, but then again what they've trying to portray me as (while unironically supporting fascist trump), i also wouldn't want israel to exist - and i've been very clear and consistent on that issue, for years and in several threads, voicing my general support of israel's right to exist and criticising palestine's / iran's political leadership for their rhetoric and actions on that issue...



of course it is. that's the whole point of israel's aggressive settlement policy (illegally encroaching on occupied land, denying permits and destroying palestine housing...): creating a situation where if you wanted to find a reasonable and fair solution to determine what a palestine state could look like, israel would simply lay claim to those lands, pointing to the fact that they had citizens living there for years. that's why there's that clusterfuck of israeli settlements all over west bank: to complicate the situation and slowly just push palestinians out, to steal land that'd be difficult to demand back from them in negotiations, as no one likes to resettle 'civilians' from their homes.

Im not justifying the settlements, tough some of them are simply 2 caravans , six people and a dog. It’s not justifying the rockets from Gaza either and not what causing them.

of course it's not justifying the rockets. nothing justifies shooting rockets at civilians.

that said, pretending those rockets (the first ones since 2014 btw) were simply a reaction to israel's settlement policy would be highly dishonest - and as an israeli i'm sure you're well aware of that. this particular escalation has clearly been provoked by israel - and you don't have to be a political genius or conspiracy theorist to draw the connection between netanyahu's political struggles and the timing and impact of this, as violent conflict has been a tried and tested method to gain some domestic support: forceful expulsions of palestinians from sheikh jarrah, in israel's effort to push them out of east jerusalem, as well as israel's violent response (hundreds injured, dozens arrested) to protests around al-aqsa mosque, their raid of that holy site all came before the rockets were fired.

the death toll also tells the story about the massive power imbalance and who has agency in this uneven conflict. that's why i struggle with the lazy bothsidesisms... again, neither the threats of palestine's current political leaders nor their rockets are justified in any way, all i'm saying is it's not hard to understand why palestinians are angry, as they are the victims of a great injustice that has been going on for decades, and is getting worse each day in their open air prison.

when i clicked on this topic i fully expected the regular hamas propaganda from people like fenderp and i wasnt disappointed

the classic "i support israels right to exist, BUT..." bullshit as always

its so funny that certain people use antisemitism, holocaust and nazi arguments as their bread and butter, but then support islamist trash thats trying eradicate israel and all its people

and as a german taxpayer i am literally paying "development aid" going to palestinians and that money ends up getting invested into rockets

mobs of islamic migrants are gathering in the streets with anti jewish chants and we do nothing about it

i always thought germany of all countries should support jewish lives no matter what, but i guess submitting to islam to not get called a racist is more important

i can only apologise to all israelis that our state literally helps the terror against their country

the facts remain the same: the conflict can end tomorrow, if hamas lays down their arms

if israel lays down their arms we will get another holocaust, there is no middle ground as long as palestinians and the rest of the middle east refuse to acknowledge israel unconditionally

They have every right to be angry. I would have been if I were in their shoes.
They have to compromise and establish their own state.. otherwise we will be in the same situation over and over again.