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Feb 3 2021 01:37pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 3 2021 11:22am)
Define "directly".


There's many instances. Conversion therapy is legitimized due to this rhetoric, which can include electro shock and chemical aversion 'therapy'. So-called 'Gay panic' or 'Trans panic' has allowed people to get away with murdering LGBT people. The creation of a homophobic social environment is so pervasive and strong in some areas that LGBT people, particularly young people, have disproportionately high suicide rates.

The 'bomb' is a very direct, quick, and easily identifiable form of violence. But so is death by 1,000 cuts.
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Feb 3 2021 01:41pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 3 2021 11:09am)
patently false.


Would love to see you try and say that the rhetoric doesn't lead to violence to someone I know who was subjected to conversion therapy by his parents. You know what they did to him? They made him watch gay porn while they electrocuted his genitals, to the point of permanent damage both physically and psychologically. In any other context this would be described as violent and abusive, but due to the rhetoric it was deemed clinically sound and permissible--beneficial, even.
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Feb 3 2021 01:42pm
I think the appropriate solution for this problem is having a government that bombs churches.

Or perhaps only those that want to round up all the jews and have them executed.

Did I say gays?
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Feb 3 2021 01:46pm
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Would love to see you try and say that the rhetoric doesn't lead to violence to someone I know who was subjected to conversion therapy by his parents. You know what they did to him? They made him watch gay porn while they electrocuted his genitals, to the point of permanent damage both physically and psychologically. In any other context this would be described as violent and abusive, but due to the rhetoric it was deemed clinically sound and permissible--beneficial, even.


I lived with many gays. Best friends. One day I couldn't find the kitchen olive oil and I thought no way, but went to his room and there it was.

I almost tried to convert him after that.

Needless to say I bought new olive oil.

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I lived with many gays. Best friends. One day I couldn't find the kitchen olive oil and I thought no way, but went to his room and there it was.

I almost tried to convert him after that.

Needless to say I bought new olive oil.


Did you check to see if you were also missing a zucchini?
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Feb 3 2021 01:52pm
Pastor Mejia is the pastor of a New Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. The NIFB believe the Bible to be the Word of God without error. The Bible teaches that the government is responsible to put sodomites to death. Pastor Mejia is required by God to preach the entire Bible, he doesn't get to preach just the popular topics. Mejia has never incited his congregation to personally attack anyone.
He simply teaches what the Bible teaches and that is, that if the government would carry out the laws of God the world would be alot better off. We all know that the government is corrupted and will never conform to the laws of God.
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Feb 3 2021 01:54pm
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Would love to see you try and say that the rhetoric doesn't lead to violence to someone I know who was subjected to conversion therapy by his parents. You know what they did to him? They made him watch gay porn while they electrocuted his genitals, to the point of permanent damage both physically and psychologically. In any other context this would be described as violent and abusive, but due to the rhetoric it was deemed clinically sound and permissible--beneficial, even.


it 100% leads to some violence, and in almost all cases the more DIRECT result is multi generational prejudice. these echo chamber churches lead to a lot of insulated social groups that brew hate. a small number act on that hate and commit acts of violence.

if you simply claimed that these chuches are brainwashing youth and perpetuating multi generational hate, such as the KKK or other hate groups that indoctrinate children to perpetuate themselves, i'd be fine with that statement.

if you simply claimed that as a result of the rhetoric some acts of violence are perpetuated against minorities i'd be fine with that statement.

the reason im not fine with the statement that the rhetoric has a direct relationship with violence is that its statistically silly. as i said, thousands of churches nationwide spew this hate to hundreds of thousands of people. the most common result is hate, not violence. this rhetoric is simply everywhere, and the results are less than direct.

on the topic of gay conversion therapy of minors ive long held that anyone involved should be jailed until they rot. have roasted Mike Pence for his alleged connections to it for years. etc.

I have a friend who is gay that was ostracized from his family when he came out, his parents arent a part of one of these churches just asshats. the shit is everywhere whether a red faced preacher is screaming it or not, luckily tho we dont live in an era like the 70s, 80s, and 90s where a pack of kids going out gay bashing on saturday night is a reality. it happens, but thankfully it seems to be dying out in occurrence. most of the hateful assholes are content it seems to feel superior while sitting in a congregation of likeminded fuckbois and protesting downtown or writing to senators who put their letters right in the shredder.
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Feb 3 2021 01:56pm
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Violence comes in many forms, and anti-LGBT rhetoric directly leads to violence. Not all violence is simply the use of physical force.


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Feb 3 2021 01:59pm
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Did you check to see if you were also missing a zucchini?


I didn't. My room and his were separated by a bathroom, but he had many many ginder visits. He had to listen to me and my girlfriends through the years. Fair is fair I figure.

I did fall in love with headphones though, my 598s my DT 770 pros. O2 amp/dac combo.

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Would love to see you try and say that the rhetoric doesn't lead to violence to someone I know who was subjected to conversion therapy by his parents. You know what they did to him? They made him watch gay porn while they electrocuted his genitals, to the point of permanent damage both physically and psychologically. In any other context this would be described as violent and abusive, but due to the rhetoric it was deemed clinically sound and permissible--beneficial, even.


And how exactly are terrorist attacks against civilian targets gonna convince anyone that LGBTQs are normal, harmless people who should be accepted the way they are?

Just like it's impossible to "preach or electrocute the gay away", we will never be able to remove all homophobia from society, that's just a fact that has to be accepted. Small pockets of hate will always remain. What's really decisive is to isolate these pockets and prevent their ideas from gaining traction among the mainstream society. The way I see it, the primary way to foster a tolerant, welcoming environment is to persuade the 90% of the middle of society that can be reached. And the LGBTQ cause has indeed made huge inroads in this regard over the past 20 or so years... It should be clear, however, that you're definitely not gonna win this battle over public opinion by resorting to preemptive violence or even terrorist tactics.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 3 2021 02:01pm
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