As it should be. Trump has embarrassed himself in a way I honestly doubted he could.

But please, fix France.



If we want to measure these things objectively, we need to consider the circumstances. Positive results in Brazil are more impressive than positive results in Greece, because the Brazilians are dealing with far more intricate layers of domestic strife.

The United States is a multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-cultural state with a vast geographic range with an enormous population. France is mono-cultural and mono-ethnic by comparison. The French don't have nearly the same regional variation in socio-economic opportunity, and are not trying to manage even a fraction of the population. The fact that the United States ranks better on practically any measure is a national embarrassment to the French.

You want we fix our 35 hours / week and 5 weeks / years paid vacations ?
Nearly free healthcare ? Education costs ? Welfare (that list lol), property access loans, murder rate ?

Denial is the only way buddy.




But you are living in the past, you are outdated. I have no much time but i will give you 1 example:
The (technological) evolution of employees’ monitoring. Are you including this kind of stuff in your cow boys golden era equation ?

Seriously, you are doing the exact same bullshit than Trump and pseudo independents crew. The real leeches.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Jan 7 2021 01:27am

Another useless post. Nothing whatsoever is "free". If you're given $2000 per month in total welfare benefits (assisted housing, food stamps, health care, etc.) then somebody else had that $2000 taken away. Somebody had to farm to make that food. Others had to process and transport it. Somebody had to build that home and has to maintain it. Those people are paying the taxes that provided that $2000. They are effectively working to provide your free shit, instead of providing their own shit.

LBJ was very clear in what his goals were when he expanded the welfare state. And it's been very functional to retain votes for unqualified democrats. And it's pure fascism at it's heart.

Worker monitoring systems have absolutely nothing to do with securing a huge voting base via a welfare state.

This

Ah yes, you also oppose minimum wage too right?
So what you want is millions of people starving or working themselves to death.



You just described a society, last i checked having a society is the optimal state for the vast majority of people

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jan 7 2021 02:48am

No company is only paying minimum wage. The so-called "Fight for 15" is already won. Seriously, the lowest pay for any place that's not locked down near me is $20/hour. And they're desperate for new employees.

Minimum wage doesn't mean much, overall. Should a waitress that takes home $500/night in tips ALSO be paid the same $12/hour that the cook who gets fuckall extra makes? Or is it possible that rather than paying the $12/hour minimum, a simple $5/hour + tips is fine? Hell, it could be tips only, the waitress will still make more than the cook.

Employers don't, by nature, pay their employees below subsistence levels. Why? If employees starve, they aren't going to make a profit, they're going to go out of business. And the funny bit is, in most rural areas, minimum wage is a livable wage, but in cities, it won't pay rent. No lie, I could not pay my rent on minimum wage and afford to eat. Minimum wage is NOT subsistence level. It's an arbitrary number that may improve the lifestyle of people in some rural areas, but merely gives employers an excuse to pay non-living wages in cities, which just happen to contain the majority of people. Hence the explosion of homeless population.

Likewise, should a 12 year old make $12/hour picking strawberries during the summer? Or how about they get paid for what they pick? If they manage to pick 50 cartons worth of Strawberries per hour and after all other costs associated with packaging and getting those strawberries to retail, the profit is $0.30 per package, isn't it reasonable to pay the 12 year old $0.10 each, netting them a grand total of $5 an hour? They didn't have to pay for the land, or it's tax, or the plants, or the fertilizer, or the water, didn't weed or do the extra work to make the harvest, etc. etc. etc. did they?

Most of what you say not only lacks consistency, but apparently any awareness at all of what's required from the business owner's end, let alone the employees end of things.



Getting votes based on giving people free shit by stealing that shit from other people who now have less because you stole from them is your ideal society? Why do you want lower taxes then? Oh yeah, consistency, you have none. Anything else, Mr. Millionaire, or are you satisfied you're a fraud?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 7 2021 03:26am

Minimum wage here is roughly $21 an hour, you can live on it anywhere outside the cbd of capital cities.

Median rent in Australian in regional (non-capital city) is 1512/month, give or take. That's just slightly less than half your gross income at $21/hour based on a 40 hour work week. Once you take taxes into consideration, transportation cost, utilities, insurance, etc. and the insanely HIGH food cost, I'd beg to differ. That's not a livable wage. Once you get into capital cities, same as in the US, it's definitely NOT a livable wage.

And the question comes back to, "If I can pay the minimum, why shouldn't I?" Likewise, if the business model is based on commission, why should you have to pay $21 plus commission? Or does the $21 come out of commission, penalizing those who're better at their job, and rewarding those who're shit?

Minimum wage discussions are far FAR more complex AND far more regional than simply saying, "This number works."

BTW, you're a liar. Australia's minimum wage is $19.84.

"The national minimum wage is $753.80 per week, for a 38 hour week, or $19.84 per hour."

gov.au is fun.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 7 2021 03:39am

The fact that you doubted Trump could not only embarrass himself like this, but also the United States, is not an excuse. We have been warning of this very thing since 2015 but as usual you tiny brains never listen. Your doubt is not an excuse. Yeah, I'm sure France is the country that should be embarrassed given everything that has happened in America since the Trump administration started...

No self awareness whatsoever.

Jesus Christ the amount of stupidity is staggering from this one.