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Nov 24 2020 08:40am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 24 2020 08:36am)
You guys are getting your hopes for Biden's political position (pragmatic centrism) and quality of governance (no point of substantive criticism) up before he's even sworn in, lol.
But sure, I'm just a salty trumpist and a fucking idiot when I point out that you idolize him without proper evidence that your high hopes in him are actually justified.

If he really governs as a hyper-clean and -efficient centrist, I'll happily eat crow. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that he won't. Imho, he will have his fair share of blunders and scandals, and will stray to the left on some issues to placate his party's progressive wing. Rest assured, there will be room for substantive criticism.


Nobody is idolizing Biden here. Saying he's trying to pick the best people for the job is how a president always operates. You've only been following for 4 years, so your "normal" for how a president operates is a corrupt child.

Biden IS a centrist. We have his entire record to prove that. We are only holding him up to the standard he's proven. Again, not all politicians are Trump with zero history to go on. We have an entire life of politics to see how Biden will run things.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 24 2020 08:39am)
Exactly. Trump gave his detractors more than enough reasons for legit criticism. Which is why I dont get why he was additionally blasted for absurd nothingburgers on top of that.

See for example the "he overfed the kois"-story:
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/donald-trump-koi-pond-japan/index.html


because when you are shit, you will get criticized for everything because it's part of a pattern of you being shit and not being able to do the most basic aspects of the job.

When you are generally good, you will get criticized for less because the small stuff isn't a part of a larger pattern.

Fuck you're stupid when it comes to Trump.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 24 2020 08:41am
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Nov 24 2020 08:43am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 24 2020 08:36am)
You guys are getting your hopes for Biden's political position (pragmatic centrism) and quality of governance (no point of substantive criticism) up before he's even sworn in, lol.
But sure, I'm just a salty trumpist and a fucking idiot when I point out that you idolize him without proper evidence that your high hopes in him are actually justified.


If he really governs as a hyper-clean and -efficient centrist, I'll happily eat crow. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that he won't. Imho, he will have his fair share of blunders and scandals, and will stray to the left on some issues to placate his party's progressive wing. Rest assured, there will be room for substantive criticism.


because you're so blinded by a fear of socialism you read even basic skeptical optimism as dogmatic worship of Biden.

you're so scared shitless of AOC and her Gang taking over a country you dont even live in that if people seem content with pragmatic basic choices you take the opportunity to be a negative nancy.

bidens lack of legislative control leaves him by 2 options, govern through EOs where his socialist potential is greatly limited, or enact a pragmatic platform that he can sell to the red senate and deeply purple congress. in neither case is he able, even if AOC was sucking him off beneath the podium to make it happen, to enact a loony leftist extreme platform while in office.

you're just so worked up over the "creeping left" that you are seeing ghosts. our system has actual checks and balances, especially in a reality with no legislative mandate. but im sure you'll still desperately claim that the first EO that smells vaguely of authoritative leftist ideology is proof you were right all along. i patiently await the first EO that is an ineffectual ban on god knows what with no realistic power so u can make a fool of yourself like a 2018 SJW screaming about Trump's ineffectual actions through EO.
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Nov 24 2020 09:00am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 24 Nov 2020 15:40)
Nobody is idolizing Biden here. Saying he's trying to pick the best people for the job is how a president always operates.

But IceMage said otherwise, he specifically stressed that Biden is uncharacteristically selecting his team for expertise over political considerations.

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You've only been following for 4 years, so your "normal" for how a president operates is a corrupt child.

I've been following American politics since the 2012 campaign. Not as intensely as during the last 4 years, but I still had a rough idea of what was going on. That I wasnt around on PaRD before 2017 doesnt mean that I only then started paying attention.

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Biden IS a centrist. We have his entire record to prove that. We are only holding him up to the standard he's proven. Again, not all politicians are Trump with zero history to go on. We have an entire life of politics to see how Biden will run things.

Not this discussion again...

What Biden's long track record proves is that he is actually not an ideological centrist, he is an ideologically malleable opportunist who always positioned himself near the center of wherever the Democratic party was at any given moment in time. It is revisionist history to pretend like Biden was always perceived as a centrist. Until well into the Obama years, Biden was always considered a cookie cuter liberal. It was only from 2016 onward that Biden stuck by his positions while his party zoomed left, such that he was all of a sudden perceived as a centrist, relative to the clown show the rest of his party had become. This centrist image of him was then deliberately fostered for his 2020 campaign.

There actually is no hard proof one way or the other whether Biden's life-long tendency toward the middle of the Democratic party will propel him to tack left, or whether his recent brand as a centrist will win out in the end. He will obviously not go along with anything radical or far-left, but chances are nonetheless very high that he will govern to the left of where Obama was.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 24 2020 09:43am)
because you're so blinded by a fear of socialism you read even basic skeptical optimism as dogmatic worship of Biden.

you're so scared shitless of AOC and her Gang taking over a country you dont even live in that if people seem content with pragmatic basic choices you take the opportunity to be a negative nancy.

bidens lack of legislative control leaves him by 2 options, govern through EOs where his socialist potential is greatly limited, or enact a pragmatic platform that he can sell to the red senate and deeply purple congress. in neither case is he able, even if AOC was sucking him off beneath the podium to make it happen, to enact a loony leftist extreme platform while in office.

you're just so worked up over the "creeping left" that you are seeing ghosts. our system has actual checks and balances, especially in a reality with no legislative mandate. but im sure you'll still desperately claim that the first EO that smells vaguely of authoritative leftist ideology is proof you were right all along. i patiently await the first EO that is an ineffectual ban on god knows what with no realistic power so u can make a fool of yourself like a 2018 SJW screaming about Trump's ineffectual actions through EO.



Biden wont last four years. Kamalas platform would be a complete dumpster fire.
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Nov 24 2020 09:07am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 24 2020 10:00am)
But IceMage said otherwise, he specifically stressed that Biden is uncharacteristically selecting his team for expertise over political considerations.


It's pretty lulzy that this is the post you take so much exception to:

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 23 2020 05:59pm)
Is that the main takeaway? I think what's most notable is all of these people have the relevant experience. They aren't flashy names... I've never even heard of Mayorkas, Haines, and Thomas-Greenfield before.

A lot of administrations try to select political talent... Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, etc. So far, Biden looks to be trying to find the best people.


If this is Biden hackery... you're in for a rough 4 years mate.
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Nov 24 2020 09:10am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 24 2020 09:36am)
You guys are getting your hopes for Biden's political position (pragmatic centrism) and quality of governance (no point of substantive criticism) up before he's even sworn in, lol.
But sure, I'm just a salty trumpist and a fucking idiot when I point out that you idolize him without proper evidence that your high hopes in him are actually justified.


If he really governs as a hyper-clean and -efficient centrist, I'll happily eat crow. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that he won't. Imho, he will have his fair share of blunders and scandals, and will stray to the left on some issues to placate his party's progressive wing. Rest assured, there will be room for substantive criticism.


How do you think biden will do compared to trump in terms of

  • scandals
  • blunders
  • conflicts of interest
  • childish behaviour and general idiocy
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Nov 24 2020 09:15am
Quote (duffman316 @ 24 Nov 2020 10:10)
How do you think biden will do compared to trump in terms of
  • scandals
  • blunders
  • conflicts of interest
  • childish behaviour and general idiocy

probably wont be around long enough for a scandal like “campaign manager not paying personal income taxes 10 years ago”
they want to “fix” the tax benefits people get on their retirements. that’ll be a blunder and a half
he will conflict American interests with what other nations want (so back to status quo)
he won’t he acting “childish” while doing the above so there’s that
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Nov 24 2020 09:21am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 24 2020 09:00am)
Biden wont last four years. Kamalas platform would be a complete dumpster fire.


you guys conveniently like to forget platform =/= results

where is the fucking wall lol

and Trump had a mandate that Biden/Harris will never have, because fear mongering about AOC's influence keep too many red seats in congress to let that happen. its a self unfulfilling prophecy.

gasp, he might re enter the paris climate accords, and he might even work a deal to tax break GM, Ford, and DC to give them incentives for electric cars. the horror. cant even imagine the carnage if he lets out a few more nonviolent offender darkies into the streets. lock your doors people, get a deadbolt.
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Nov 24 2020 09:24am
Quote (duffman316 @ 24 Nov 2020 16:10)
How do you think biden will do compared to trump in terms of
  • scandals
  • blunders
  • conflicts of interest
  • childish behaviour and general idiocy


Is "the most corrupt, incompetent and vile president in history" (according to liberals) really the appropriate measuring stick?
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Nov 24 2020 09:38am
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