Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 7 2020 12:48pm)
The goal posts have moved dramatically.
How policy makers should be decided is not the issue.
I contested the assertion that democrats are superior and the party of science compared to the supposedly anti-science republicans.
I talked about their anti-science "CONSENSUS!" shouting strategy designed to shut down debate and thinking.
Democrats seeking to shut down and dismiss any debate and skepticism is not particularly pro-science.
I also contested the idea that people without a medical degree should be written off as 2nd grade flat earthers with no grounds for questioning people with a degree or those appointed by government.
It should be obvious that government does not have a monopoly on the truth, knowledge and science.
Not really my initial post was always in reference to policy.
Quote (Bazi @ Nov 7 2020 11:31am)
If you don’t have a medical degree, you don’t have grounds to argue with physicians on public health consensus
You can voice opinions and that’s about it, same way you can voice opinions on flat Earth etc
“Public health consensus” implying what actions need to be taken to protect public health. Nothing to do with stifling free speech. It seems you got offended when I said people can be flat earthers if they choose to. Where did I state anyone without a medical degree is a flat earther. The point was clearly you can believe whatever the hell you want to believe. That is your right
Also, I didn’t say medical doctor I said medical degree. Someone with a standardized education that has gone through some objective qualifications whether it be someone with a masters of public health or otherwise.
I maintain the stance that policy makers should be performed by those with standardized degrees, and simultaneously that this view is NOT anti science. You are free to challenge this idea, with your own, of how policy makers should be decided. I welcome disagreements with people within their respective fields, and that is how we grow.
Re: political parties. The former head of the Republican Party, your former President, was spouting shit about hydroxychloroquine up until ... June? Honestly I think even later than this off the top of my head but don’t know for sure. A medication that has been demonstrated to worsen outcomes by April. Patients were coming to the hospital demanding this medication because the president said it works and is a miracle. This is the level of is influence. You can contest the notion of which political party at the present time is more in accordance with scientific literature, unfortunately a lot of these statements are now public record and quite easy to disqualify. Thankfully some republicans have shifted stances like Christy, however not the volume required to challenge the assertion of which political party is more scientific. It is no coincidence why millions of Americans have voted against there financial interests in this election. It is no coincidence that the higher level of education you have, the more you leaned to one party more than the other. Perhaps with trump gone we can reclaim some semblance of mutuality within our political parties when it comes to certain common sense topics.
I am not a democrat btw. Obama 2008, Romney 2012, Johnson 2016.