These people are low-information victims. The media they consume keeps them ignorant so they really don't know any better. I'm sure the left has their fair share of low-information victims as well but Trump is the one in power, not Bernie.

It would be quite poetic if the first female president got into the WH house because an old white man paved the way for her after she already failed miserably during the primaries.

To me this looks like a childish justification from someone who is upset at the political landscape.

Trump using his personality cult to destroy people who criticize him for obvious missteps might make you feel good, but it's not the same thing as ideologically realigning the party. Not even close. Republican voters today are more supportive of tariffs, not because Trump made a convincing argument, but because they are part of a personality cult, and thus go along with whatever he says. So when he goes away at some point, the lasting impact on the party and voters will be more temperamental than ideological.

So moderate Democrats are "corporate Democrats" and the left-wingers are insane and dangerous. Again, I think your statements here are childish. It makes you feel good when people you don't like on the left are triggered. But how does that help move the country forward? How does it help your ideological movement? Success might look like bringing Democrats on Trump's side to get certain things done. Pissing them off accomplishes nothing.

If you think that the divide in this country is related fundamentally to Trump, and that there was truly honest and civil discourse before him, you are mistaken.

There is not much to talk about, you are misreading the situation.

I don't think I ever made that argument. Trump makes the situation much worse, but obviously things weren't hunky-dory before 2015.

This seems like another side step. Instead of acknowledging the reality of Trump's unique divisiveness, you're setting up strawmen.

you can thank mitch mcconnell and senate repubs for that.

or you are probably going to blame obama some how when in reality the only issue most of his opponents had was that he was black.

I am indeed upset with the political landscape. The policies or ideologies which are commonly referred to as "right-wing populism" are my political home, and they were under- or unrepresented for the longest time. It seems, however, that I'm not alone in this sentiment. These right-wing populist parties have popped up across the world in recent years. Many of them saw unprecedented success. There must be a reason for this global political trend, a reason which goes beyond Trump or his personality cult. The emergence of right-wing populism has to do with the state of the (western) world and the direction its mainstream political leaders want to steer it. Voters from all around the world did not all of a sudden become childish, there are good, substantive reasons for this frustration with the (old) political landscape.



No, it does not. Let's be real for a second here: I defended Trump's endless controversies and shitty behavior for all those years because I like his policies and put policy over personality. Do you seriously think that I enjoyed having to do that, do you seriously think I enjoyed having to bend over backwards and push the boundaries of my own integrity to defend the man I wanted to see succeed, no matter how big his personal short-comings were?



Ideologically realigning the GOP in a direction that I preferred on policy grounds, and potentially bringing some Democrats on his side to form a lasting majority coalition, similar to FDR's new deal coaliton or Reagan's silent majority - that's indeed what I had hoped for at the start of Trump's presidency. In hindsight, this hope was always unrealistic. I still believe that the opening to do just that was there, but I should have seen that Trump's personality would always stand in the way and prevent him from ever forming a majority coalition.

I'm not so sure about the importance of the personality cult vs Trump adjusting his policy position to the sentiment which is already prevalent among the base. It imho is also totally up in the air whether the ideological realignment of the GOP under Trump will persist after he's gone, or if the party will revert back to where it was under Bush or Romney.

I was responding to your post, directly.



Was Romney treated with civility and decency? Was coverage fair? When Trump challenged the left's orthodoxy on immigration, what was the response?

There is a belief, which predates Obama, that leftism is some sort of inexorable force. That the role of the right is to play loyal opposition. Some of us reject it. It is for them to prove.

no and he laid down and took it and said thank you can i have some more unfair treatment lmao. icepeon clapped like the useless seal he is at the time hailing romney for his campaign, as if accepting uncivil attacks en route to losing is some mark of honor.

this is how spoiled the lefties and democrats have been for sometime. they can do whatever they want and if you tell them no i will not go along with your charade, well then they just call you a racist. always a laugh when people who nominated the palest pastiest privileged lefty guy who wrote the “black superpredators” crime bill call anyone else racist

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lmao so you are admitting to selling out your integrity for a man with zero policy. trump 2016 had policy. trump today has NO policy. trump is just smokes and mirrors which is consistent with his whole tv persona and the life he was handed to him.

his buildings are perfect examples, nice lobbies, shitty af designed, quality, rooms. trump is a facade and he literally has made you brain dead.