A sex change operation does not change your sex. To put it simply, they are asking for society to join in their delusion. We should treat them with compassion, but that's all.

So from your perspective, the people in those photos are women, not men.
I find it hard to see them as the delusional ones in that scenario.

Is anybody asking trans people to do that? Afaik, the "conservative" position is that people use the bathroom that corresponds to their biological sex, period. The whole crux of transgenderism is that there is a disconnect between self-identification and biological reality.




I would settle it without harassment claims. Either by deciding that you're a disrespectful clown that I'll ignore, or by robust persuasion.





Yeah, and many cisgender people want to be left alone and not have to refer to others with words like "zhe" or "xir".




Ok, I didnt follow the debate about gay marriage that closely back then. If this argument was really made, then it was utter bullshit. But like I said: just because a lot of the arguments from the debate about gay rights were bullshit does not mean that arguments against certain demands of trans activists are equally ridiculous and baseless.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2020 09:08pm

I don't open links.

We can do impressive things with medical science, but no, having an operation does not change one from a biological female to male. That is the literal reality of the situation.

No one is trying to change from biological female to biological male ???

Also, the links are just photos of completely passing trans men from some modeling shoot.

This post was edited by Mangix on Oct 15 2020 09:10pm

Ancient Rome was more liberal in a lot of ways than what followed over the next 1500 years.

Then they aren't women. Trying to change the definition of the word in a vain attempt to "correct" a mistake at birth is sad.

As an aside, the intolerance with which the trans community operates is completely unacceptable. They attack the very people who are most likely to become their allies. Can you imagine if the gay community had done the same?

and if I'm your boss and I insist on calling you a girl? If I call you "XistenZ the GIRL" every day even if you protest, every time i refer to you? I find it hard to believe you'd put up with that forever and it wouldn't have a negative effect on your health or performance.

The arguments you are making now are utter bullshit, and they are bullshit for the exact same reason. The reason I'm frustrated right now is because I had this EXACT. SAME. CONVERSATION. for nearly 10 years except it was about gay people. Now you're unironically making the same shit arguments as though they're new and logical and in 15 years you won't be saying how silly the anti trans people were.

They used the same arguments about black people as well.

Yeah, its fucking ridiculous that every time conservatives repeat the same argument and expect to be taken seriously because "no its actually different this time guys"