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Sep 24 2020 04:37am
Quote (Goomshill @ 24 Sep 2020 10:31)
well in fairness you have to include the buildup like:

Woman stashes drug money
Police get no-knock warrant that values potential of evidence over risk to life
Police knock anyways
Guy shoots
Police shootback
Woman dead

She wasn't really a bystander, and the no-knock warrant itself was dangerous and yet they didn't use it.
So where does responsibility fall in such a scenario?

The woman stashing money for her friends drug trade was clearly breaking the law and involving herself in a dangerous criminal world.
The guy shooting at police knocking down his door with a battering ram is in a more gray area- if he didn't hear police announce themselves before they broke down the door, his use of deadly force to defend his home from a deadly threat is reasonable. But that could be weakened if he knew of the drug money stash and had reason to believe the police might investigate, and its definitely invalid if he heard the police.
The judge followed the law by granting a no-knock warrant, and had the foresight to change it to a knock-and-announce warrant.
The police followed protocol in knocking, announcing and entering the home, and they only opened fire justifiably after being shot at.
The law itself was clearly deficient when it allowed for a no-knock warrant, but seems reasonable enough when using a knock-and-announce warrant and targeting a known drug business.


so much speculation and misrepresentation, trying to frame this whole case in the most favourable way possible for the killer(s). this is not you trying to add valuable perspective based on undeniable facts, this is you shilling for police violence, giving them any benefit of the doubt, as long as they kill black folks.

we all know how your misleading essay would have looked, whose side you would have taken, if the victim had been a white conservative...
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Sep 24 2020 05:46am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 23 2020 09:37pm)
"If it's the law to exterminate the jews I'm OK with it. The law is cool."


Change the law.

Demanding that officers can punished for following the letter of the law is ridiculous. Thank God we live in a country of laws and not some complete shithole where public anger decides ones guilt or innocence.
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Sep 24 2020 05:55am
Quote (fender @ Sep 24 2020 05:37am)
so much speculation and misrepresentation, trying to frame this whole case in the most favourable way possible for the killer(s). this is not you trying to add valuable perspective based on undeniable facts, this is you shilling for police violence, giving them any benefit of the doubt, as long as they kill black folks.

we all know how your misleading essay would have looked, whose side you would have taken, if the victim had been a white conservative...


It is strange to me the BF shot only once at the alleged no-knock home invaders. Should have blown those fucks away given thatrepresentation of the evidence. i.e Past midnight, dark, no-knock home invasion... once that door is knocked open, a clip should have been unloaded IMO. Given in that context they would have not known the intruders were cops...

Or... its plausible the cops announced themselves, then the victims grabbed a gun, and shot at cops which seems more unlikely than the no-knock past midnight invasion scenario.

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Sep 24 2020 05:57am
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It is strange to me the BF shot only once at the alleged no-knock home invaders. Should have blown those fucks away given thatrepresentation of the evidence. i.e Past midnight, dark, no-knock home invasion... once that door is knocked open, a clip should have been unloaded IMO. Given in that context they would have not known the intruders were cops...

Or... its plausible the cops announced themselves, then the victims grabbed a gun, and shot at cops which seems HIGH DUMB more unlikely than the no-knock past midnight invasion scenario.


Blacks do not have the right to self-defense per the Right. Only caucasians have that right.

The right would love gun control if they could exempt white people for example.

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Sep 24 2020 06:01am
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Blacks do not have the right to self-defense per the Right. Only caucasians have that right.

The right would love gun control if they could exempt white people for example.


Last I checked, Blacks can still lock and load per 2nd amendment.
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Sep 24 2020 06:09am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Sep 24 2020 08:01am)
Last I checked, Blacks can still lock and load per 2nd amendment.


Doing something doesn't mean you have a right.

A right is an expectation on how you can be treated. Rights entail duties to each other, such as respecting speech, not stealing each others property, not harming each other. If you have a right to speech then we agree i have a duty to not censor you.

Freedom is the absence of limitation. It is what we experience outside the social contract, when we are in the woods alone with the bears. You aren't entitled to speech or safety when free. Absence of limitation means that being food for another person is on the table...also means eating other animals/chewing up people is on the table.

Blacks are free to do many of the things whites do, but since blacks don't have a right to bear arms a cop is permitted to kill Philando Castille as part of his rights as a cop. He killed that man, and society respected his right to murder. This is one example out of thousands over the past decade or two.

Compare the black experience vs the white experience with justice: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lori-loughlin-victorville-prison-pilattes-college-admissions-scandal-011521104.html

This bitch got to pick her prison and her activities. She gets to be close to home while the state rips black fathers away and locks then in institutions for long periods of time for nonviolent crimes like Lori Loughlin.

So much selective enforcent of justice.

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Sep 24 2020 06:16am
Quote (Skinned @ Sep 24 2020 07:09am)
Doing something doesn't mean you have a right.

A right is an expectation on how you can be treated. Rights entail duties to each other, such as respecting speech, not stealing each others property, not harming each other. If you have a right to speech then we agree i have a duty to not censor you.

Freedom is the absence of limitation. It is what we experience outside the social contract, when we are in the woods alone with the bears. You aren't entitled to speech or safety when free. Absence of limitation means that being food for another person is on the table...also means eating other animals/chewing up people is on the table.

Blacks are free to do many of the things whites do, but since blacks don't have a right to bear arms a cop is permitted to kill Philando Castille as part of his rights as a cop. He killed that man, and society respected his right to murder. This is one example out of thousands over the past decade or two.

Compare the black experience vs the white experience with justice: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lori-loughlin-victorville-prison-pilattes-college-admissions-scandal-011521104.html

This bitch got to pick her prison and her activities.


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Sep 24 2020 06:29am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Sep 24 2020 08:16am)


That wasn't last night, was it?

Lets see them do that now?

Lets see them move beyond the masterbatory phase and see what happens as well.

We will see if they were just being loud and peacocking or if they are serious business like Kyle Rittenhouse. Pretty sure Kyle's go fund me is in the hundreds if thousands for shooting and killing those people.

I don't even know why you sre arguing with me about this. The state denied MLK a gun permit after his house was firebombed. Not a lot has changed.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 24 2020 06:32am
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Sep 24 2020 06:46am
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That wasn't last night, was it?

Lets see them do that now?

Lets see them move beyond the masterbatory phase and see what happens as well.

We will see if they were just being loud and peacocking or if they are serious business like Kyle Rittenhouse. Pretty sure Kyle's go fund me is in the hundreds if thousands for shooting and killing those people.

I don't even know why you sre arguing with me about this. The state denied MLK a gun permit after his house was firebombed. Not a lot has changed.


You are saying things like 'blacks have no right to self-defense', and 'blacks can not bear arms' which is not true.
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Sep 24 2020 06:54am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Sep 24 2020 08:46am)
You are saying things like 'blacks have no right to self-defense', and 'blacks can not bear arms' which is not true.


If they had the right to these things they could exercise that right and nothing bad would happen. We have a ton of counterexamples that indicate otherwise, and people are rioting in the streets now because they agree that Blacks have less rights than Whites in America and it should be equal. African Americans make up a small amount of our population, like 11-14%. They are treated so poorly our prisons are full of them, our criminal justice system relentlessly selects them for arrest and persecution, and when they exercise basic constitutional rights on an interpersonal level with people of authority their rights are violated relentlessly. Rights are to be discussed among equals and based in the force of the social contract. The social contract has been so bad for this very small group of people the whole nation is under arrest and we are experiencing what some people have called a Civil War in a purely non-hyperbolic way. We have a sitting president who refused to answer whether or not he would peacefully transition power on one side of this ideological conflict, instead saying there will just be continuation of this and voting remotely during a pandemic is illegitimate, when we all should be able to vote from our phones. People work from home and are able to obey laws like HIPAA, and we make automatic money machines that NEVER make a mistake on the amount of twenties it gives or where they came from, we can't vote from home legitimately now? Lol. That statement is insulting because him saying it insinuates he thinks I'm a fucking idiot.

TLDR: The local gangs/agencies that has the monopoly on violence that society permits through the social contract has been violating the rights of the poorest portion of 11% of Americans so bad that the country is about to fall apart and we are completely lacking in responsible leadership on a national level, democracy is losing to authoritarianism.

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