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Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 3 2020 03:34pm)
Those safety nets are shored up by the taxes the undocumented are paying while receiving little to no benefit in exchange.


They receive security, public education, food stamps, WIC, healthcare, among many other benefits.
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From wiki
In 2015, an analyst reported that the two major parties differ in the way they redraw districts. The Democrats construct coalition districts of liberals and minorities together with conservatives which results in Democratic-leaning districts.[131] The Republicans tend to place liberals all together in a district, conservatives in others, creating clear partisan districts.

But lets focuse on 0.0025% of "fraud"... Still ignoring historical voter suppression issue btw.


Again, in case you don't understand this concept: Gerrymandering is inherent to districting. There's no way to get rid of it, because there's no neutral point. Its always going to be a subjective measure of what change could favor which party more or less. And districting is inherently political, going all the way back to the founding of the country. Every "analysis", every report, every metric or algorithm, just boils down to a subjective opinion on which side should benefit more or less.
If you put people in a 60/40 district favoring one side, it means that the 40% are effectively disenfranchised and will never win, removing them from the vote. If you put people in a 100/0 district, it means that those voters are being 'wasted'.
Its called cracking and packing. Both parties do it, both try to optimize their political advantage, and its not remotely new. It isn't some terrible form of 'historical voter suppression', its the natural consequence of districting.
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 4 2020 02:45am)
They receive security, public education, food stamps, WIC, healthcare, among many other benefits.



Cool. They pay into the system so they should.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 4 2020 02:50am)
Again, in case you don't understand this concept: Gerrymandering is inherent to districting. There's no way to get rid of it, because there's no neutral point. Its always going to be a subjective measure of what change could favor which party more or less. And districting is inherently political, going all the way back to the founding of the country. Every "analysis", every report, every metric or algorithm, just boils down to a subjective opinion on which side should benefit more or less.
If you put people in a 60/40 district favoring one side, it means that the 40% are effectively disenfranchised and will never win, removing them from the vote. If you put people in a 100/0 district, it means that those voters are being 'wasted'.
Its called cracking and packing. Both parties do it, both try to optimize their political advantage, and its not remotely new. It isn't some terrible form of 'historical voter suppression', its the natural consequence of districting.



Republicans are the ones who want to maintain strict partisan districting. Democrats create nonpartisan and bipartisan redistricting commissions.
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Cool. They pay into the system so they should.


The point being that they cost far more than they bring into the system, which is expected with low-skilled workers.
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 4 2020 06:39am)
The point being that they cost far more than they bring into the system, which is expected with low-skilled workers.



What you just posted is factually incorrect and has been debunked hundreds of times on this forum alone. Stop it.
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Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 4 2020 09:32am)
Cool. They pay into the system so they should.


Of course not. They're not entitled to those programs.
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Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 4 2020 08:42am)
What you just posted is factually incorrect and has been debunked hundreds of times on this forum alone. Stop it.


Nope.
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Quote (inkanddagger @ 4 Sep 2020 15:37)
Republicans are the ones who want to maintain strict partisan districting. Democrats create nonpartisan and bipartisan redistricting commissions.


Democrats support nonpartisan redistricting commissions whenever they get a hold of power in red-leaning states like Arizona or North Carolina, where their only choices are either a Republican gerrymander or a map drawn by a nonpartisan commission.

In states where they are dominant, they gerrymander just as badly as Republicans. For example, look at this egregious example from Maryland:


What an abomination!



Bipartisan commissions, on the other hand, can often lead to static "lock in the status quo"-maps which contain little to no competitive districts anymore, like what happened in California during the 2010s.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 4 2020 01:03pm)
Democrats support nonpartisan redistricting commissions whenever they get a hold of power in red-leaning states like Arizona or North Carolina, where their only choices are either a Republican gerrymander or a map drawn by a nonpartisan commission.

In states where they are dominant, they gerrymander just as badly as Republicans. For example, look at this egregious example from Maryland:
https://img.techpowerup.org/200904/lossless-page1-1920px-maryland-us-congressional-district-3-28since-2013-29-tif.png

What an abomination!



Bipartisan commissions, on the other hand, can often lead to static "lock in the status quo"-maps which contain little to no competitive districts anymore, like what happened in California during the 2010s.


fake news, that district is a poorly drawn tribute to the great lakes drawn from memory by a blind terminally ill 4th grader as a part of the make a wish foundation.
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