Quote (IceMage @ Aug 25 2020 12:44pm)

I don't know that it's helpful or accurate to label race riots "terrorism". They've happened before. There's often legitimate grievances motivating the illegitimate action. It's just a fact that Trump is now president and these riots are happening. They continue to happen while he campaigns on the issue, as if it's a reason to re-elect him. Trump has been a racially divisive president... he's doubled down on it since the George Floyd incident. "Double down on a president who makes racist appeals more than any other in recent memory in order to bring the country together" is a hot take even you wouldn't dare to make.

It's not about appeasing a mob, it's just a matter of fact for those concerned with these riots. A Biden presidency would lower the temperature. He would work harder to address the legitimate concerns that some of these protesters have, and his rhetoric wouldn't be dismissive or inflammatory.

All that said, it's just inevitable that these sort of protests and riots are going to happen after black people are killed by police. Who sits in the Oval Office is only relevant to some extent.

Quote (IceMage @ 25 Aug 2020 18:25)

The issue is whether these concerns motivate voters to come out for Trump. It makes no sense that the guy presiding over these riots is going to be the one to stop them in the future. In fact, it's reasonable to conclude that a Trump re-election just makes the matter worse.... a Biden election lowers the temperature. But the average, mostly uninformed voter might have different ideas.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 25 2020 11:52am)

Lol what? Those riots occur in the wake of a protest movement that is explicitly Democrat-aligned and anti-Trump. It is happening almost exclusively in cities which have been governed by Democrats for decades, if not generations. Local Democratic leaders are appeasing or even aligning themselves with these protesters, and put local law enforcement on a tight leash, prohibiting them from cracking down on those protests which have turned violent and gotten out of hand. And when Trump was sending federal law enforcement, Democratic officials, Democratic mayors and Democrat-aligned media were freaking out, talked about fascism and stormstroopers, and unambiguously called on Trump to withdraw his federal officers.

So, what more is Trump supposed to do about the issue while respecting federalism and the constitutional balance of power between municipalities, states and the federal government?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 25 2020 11:52am)

Lol what? Those riots occur in the wake of a protest movement that is explicitly Democrat-aligned and anti-Trump. It is happening almost exclusively in cities which have been governed by Democrats for decades, if not generations. Local Democratic leaders are appeasing or even aligning themselves with these protesters, and put local law enforcement on a tight leash, prohibiting them from cracking down on those protests which have turned violent and gotten out of hand. And when Trump was sending federal law enforcement, Democratic officials, Democratic mayors and Democrat-aligned media were freaking out, talking about fascism and stormstroopers, and unambiguously called on Trump to withdraw his federal forces.

So, what more is Trump supposed to do about the issue while respecting federalism and the constitutional balance of power between municipalities, states and the federal government?

Quote (Thor123422 @ 25 Aug 2020 19:08)

There's a few things he could do by just changing his behavior.

1. Don't say things like "Don't be too nice" in reference to police apprehensions. (Pretty clearly a tacit endorsement of police brutality)
2. Maybe tone down the racially charged language and policy, such as his recent "you don't want 'those people' in your suburbs" comments and his revocation of Obama era rules specifically made to combat segregation
3. Initiate and support investigations into police brutality using the Justice Department

Those are things that are just really easy to see from the surface. There are far more options at his disposal, but instead of looking to solve the problem he's opted to use it as a campaign tool. And yes, he is far too incompetent to even make himself aware of the powers he has to deal with problems, and that's part of the problem.

Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Aug 25 2020 12:47pm)

I really would love to make a documentary on you and all the other lefties on this forum. Follow you around, see how you live, etc. I think it would be extremely informative and telling.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 25 2020 12:52pm)

Lol what? Those riots occur in the wake of a protest movement that is explicitly Democrat-aligned and anti-Trump. It is happening almost exclusively in cities which have been governed by Democrats for decades, if not generations. Local Democratic leaders are appeasing or even aligning themselves with these protesters, and put local law enforcement on a tight leash, prohibiting them from cracking down on those protests which have turned violent and gotten out of hand. And when Trump was sending federal law enforcement, Democratic officials, Democratic mayors and Democrat-aligned media were freaking out, talking about fascism and stormstroopers, and unambiguously called on Trump to withdraw his federal forces.

So, what more is Trump supposed to do about the issue while respecting federalism and the constitutional balance of power between municipalities, states and the federal government?

Quote (excellence @ Aug 25 2020 10:19am)

bastardizing a legitimate movement for equality and police/criminal justice reform to justify arson, murder, killings, looting, rioting, and increased suffering of minorities can easily be described as terrorism in nature

Quote (thundercock @ Aug 25 2020 12:23pm)

Instead of launching teargas, maybe they should launch fried drumsticks.

Quote (excellence @ Aug 25 2020 01:19pm)

bastardizing a legitimate movement for equality and police/criminal justice reform to justify arson, murder, killings, looting, rioting, and increased suffering of minorities can easily be described as terrorism in nature