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Aug 9 2020 04:19pm
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Workers make and sell products which workers could continue to make and sell without capitalists.
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Aug 9 2020 04:46pm
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Workers make and sell products which workers could continue to make and sell without capitalists.


you don't get it:



it's how those guys feel 'smart', don't ask for logical consistency or critical thinking, lol.
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Aug 9 2020 05:42pm
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Couldnt they run some sketchy tax scheme where they raise state taxes by $100 per person per week and use this money to "unlock" the federal $300?

People would effectively only get $300/w that way, which might be a bit low for many families though.


It would have to be passed through their respective legislatures, and even then it's hard to come up with a tax scheme that would do that. Not everybody is going to be getting the $400 a week, so it's not as simple as "everybody pays an extra $100".

It's also $100 per week, not flat, so there's that as well.
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Aug 9 2020 06:26pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 10 Aug 2020 00:17)
You don't get to keep it. It's a deferment, not a tax holiday. Don't spend it now or you're going to be fucked.


Lol. Just lol. Do you seriously think that these deferred taxes will ever be paid? It's crystal clear that this can will be kicked down the road again and again and eventually thrown onto the pile of the national debt.

There's no way in hell the economy and people's personal finances will be in great shape again come April (when these taxes would be due), so the Biden or Trump administration and Congress (in whichever configuration) will have no other choice than to extend the deferral. The next time it comes up, in the fall or winter of 2021, it will be the same story. And the next time after that, it will already be too close to the midterms and the issue too politically toxic.

By late 2022 or whenever there would be the first real chance to force repayment without killing the economy, everyone will have forgotten about it or just go "fuck it". It will be the like the Bush tax cuts, which took on a life of their own, ending with 82% of their volume being made permanent by the Obama administration 11 years later.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 9 2020 06:26pm
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Lol. Just lol. Do you seriously think that these deferred taxes will ever be paid? It's crystal clear that this can will be kicked down the road again and again and eventually thrown onto the pile of the national debt.

There's no way in hell the economy and people's personal finances will be in great shape again come April (when these taxes would be due), so the Biden or Trump administration and Congress (in whichever configuration) will have no other choice than to extend the deferral. The next time it comes up, in the fall or winter of 2021, it will be the same story. And the next time after that, it will already be too close to the midterms and the issue too politically toxic.

By late 2022 or whenever there would be the first real chance to force repayment without killing the economy, everyone will have forgotten about it or just go "fuck it". It will be the like the Bush tax cuts, which took on a life of their own, ending with 82% of their volume being made permanent by the Obama administration 11 years later.



If Biden is elected I assure you the GOP will do everything they can to ensure the deferments have to be paid back so they can blame Democrats. "Trump tried to stop this but the radical leftist communist Democrats tried to do a coup on him and did presidential harassment until demonic Ukrainian child sex traffickers from deep within the hollow earth told their puppet to... Tom Hanks and Ellen Degeneres are on house arrest. The Storm is still coming. Trump is just working deep underground now where the Deep State Swamp can't touch him. 4D chess. Checkmate Libruls."

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If Biden is elected I assure you the GOP will do everything they can to ensure the deferments have to be paid back so they can blame Democrats. "Trump tried to stop this but the radical leftist communist Democrats tried to do a coup on him and did presidential harassment until demonic Ukrainian child sex traffickers from deep within the hollow earth told their puppet to... Tom Hanks and Ellen Degeneres are on house arrest. The Storm is still coming. Trump is just working deep underground now where the Deep State Swamp can't touch him. 4D chess. Checkmate Libruls."


pretty close.. Bill Gates part in this is not clear. Please correct your post
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Aug 9 2020 07:15pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 9 Aug 2020 20:38)
If Biden is elected I assure you the GOP will do everything they can to ensure the deferments have to be paid back so they can blame Democrats. "Trump tried to stop this but the radical leftist communist Democrats tried to do a coup on him and did presidential harassment until demonic Ukrainian child sex traffickers from deep within the hollow earth told their puppet to... Tom Hanks and Ellen Degeneres are on house arrest. The Storm is still coming. Trump is just working deep underground now where the Deep State Swamp can't touch him. 4D chess. Checkmate Libruls."


yeah your hypothetical is too convoluted since Biden already signed off on agreeing with Pelosi/Schumer for a 3+ trillion dollar tax increase. so he would most certainly be on board with not letting American workers keep more of their hard-earned dollars and forcing them to ‘repay their own money back’

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Aug 9 2020 07:39pm
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yeah your hypothetical is too convoluted since Biden already signed off on agreeing with Pelosi/Schumer for a 3+ trillion dollar tax increase. so he would most certainly be on board with not letting American workers keep more of their hard-earned dollars and forcing them to ‘repay their own money back’



You all know my stance on taxes. I've made several main threads about it and been very clear where I stand.
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Aug 9 2020 08:02pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 8 2020 05:45pm)
Big and alarming precedent if it is left to stand. Which it probably wont. I assume that this move will achieve its goal and put the gun on Congress to agree on a bill that contains similar provisions like these EOs. Once this similar bill is passed by Congress, Trump can withdraw the EOs or they can be struck down in court without the one challenging them committing political suicide.

At the end of the day, Trump forced things to get moving, and that's a good thing. The means are questionable, but that's not gonna bother too many people. "Desperate times call for desperate measures."


Yeah this is one of his few and far between good moves.
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Aug 10 2020 03:42am
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People are going to freak the fuck out when their deferred tax bill comes due.


I noticed that too, except that at the end of the year, you don't reconcile payroll taxes, only income taxes.
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