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Aug 5 2020 10:17am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 5 2020 09:38am)
Yes salmon can have WAY too much mercury for this level of consumption


No. Salmon is a short lived fish, especially if this is Atlantic farmed salmon which it probably is given his location is in the east. Tuna , a fish with a 30 year lifespan, okay maybe.

I don't know what you land locked states and provinces eat but we on the east and west eat seafood including salmon , tuna , etc 5-7 days a week in many areas. Its not uncommon.

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No. Salmon is a short lived fish, especially if this is Atlantic farmed salmon which it probably is given his location is in the east. Tuna , a fish with a 30 year lifespan, okay maybe.

I don't know what you land locked states and provinces eat but we on the east and west eat seafood including salmon , tuna , etc 5-7 days a week in many areas. Its not uncommon.


Yes.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 5 2020 11:38am)
Yes salmon can have WAY too much mercury for this level of consumption


Quote (fender @ Aug 5 2020 11:26am)
that much salmon is particularly great for you if you're a thermometer...


No.

Salmon has insigificant levels of mercury compared to tuna and other "high mercury" fish. It's completely safe to make a significant part of your diet.
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Aug 5 2020 11:49am
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 5 2020 11:14am)
"Starvation mode", aka the condition where you magically gain weight when starving always gives me a chuckle. As if severe hunger and millions of famine deaths were a complete mirage.


When I've heard about "starvation mode" it's been to imply that your body lowers its basal metabolic rate to avoid digesting fat, and puts a priority on storage.

So on a normal day you would burn 1500 calories from BMR, and 1000 from activity, but if you are in "starvation mode" your body would tone down your BMR to 1200 causing you to get more sluggish and stop losing weight on an equal calorie diet.

There's some good science to back this up. It's been found that people who have been fatter hate a lower BMR and as a result have to be on a greater calorie deficit to have the same weight loss.

It's really hard to do good nutrition science because the only way to get good data is to lock a group of people in a room and totally control their diet and exercise.
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Aug 5 2020 12:14pm
Quote (sir_lance_bb @ Aug 5 2020 05:35pm)
All you have to do is look at human teeth and their gut to conclude their biology is suited to consume meat and plants/nuts/legumes.

You think humans are like cows and are able to let plants ferment in their guts to get nutrients out of food?

You doing actual vegans a disservice. You can absolutely be vegan and be healthy and if moral reasons suit your needs for it, that's great.

But you can't escape the fact humans are evolved to eat both meat and plants. Humans are opportunistic eaters.

You can be jacked and be vegan, it's just going to be harder since animal protein is easier to absorb. You can be vegan and be healthy, just like you can eat meat and be healthy.

It's amazing how warped nutrition science really is. From people thinking meat kills you to people forgetting the laws of thermodynamics in regards to weight gain and everything in between.


Clarence Kennedy being a great example. Boy is stronk.
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Aug 5 2020 12:47pm
Quote (SBD @ 5 Aug 2020 18:17)
No. Salmon is a short lived fish, especially if this is Atlantic farmed salmon which it probably is given his location is in the east. Tuna , a fish with a 30 year lifespan, okay maybe.

I don't know what you land locked states and provinces eat but we on the east and west eat seafood including salmon , tuna , etc 5-7 days a week in many areas. Its not uncommon.


Quote (bogie160 @ 5 Aug 2020 18:25)
No.

Salmon has insigificant levels of mercury compared to tuna and other "high mercury" fish. It's completely safe to make a significant part of your diet.


oh really? that's good to know. i thought i read somewhere that cheap one could be problematic if you ate large quantities, but i'm glad if that's wrong. not that i eat that much, but i sure like my salmon. tuna as well though, unfortunately...
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Quote (fender @ Aug 5 2020 12:47pm)
oh really? that's good to know. i thought i read somewhere that cheap one could be problematic if you ate large quantities, but i'm glad if that's wrong. not that i eat that much, but i sure like my salmon. tuna as well though, unfortunately...


Here's a charting, yes it's wikipedia but it's consistent with other sources iv read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_in_fish
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Quote (SBD @ 5 Aug 2020 20:52)
Here's a charting, yes it's wikipedia but it's consistent with other sources iv read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_in_fish


well, you're not handing in an academic assignment, wiki is completely fine by me - especially an article like that with plenty external links.

i stand corrected, salmon is apparently completely unproblematic in terms of mercury (did some reading, and apparently it has some serious other issues, at least the cheap one from fish farms, maybe that's what i remembered). anyway, thanks for the source.
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Aug 5 2020 01:19pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 5 2020 01:49pm)
When I've heard about "starvation mode" it's been to imply that your body lowers its basal metabolic rate to avoid digesting fat, and puts a priority on storage.

So on a normal day you would burn 1500 calories from BMR, and 1000 from activity, but if you are in "starvation mode" your body would tone down your BMR to 1200 causing you to get more sluggish and stop losing weight on an equal calorie diet.

There's some good science to back this up. It's been found that people who have been fatter hate a lower BMR and as a result have to be on a greater calorie deficit to have the same weight loss.

It's really hard to do good nutrition science because the only way to get good data is to lock a group of people in a room and totally control their diet and exercise.


Do you mean this in context of fat people starving themselves, or just starting at a lower floor?

Does your BMR slowdown somewhat when you sharply reduce energy intake? There's evidence for that. But like nutritional science seems predisposed to, it's usually misconstrued. "Reducing food intake doesn't work!", "Reduce by "x" number of calories is too much, your body will fight it and you'll gain weight!" are some of the takes I see on a regular basis.
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Aug 5 2020 02:31pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 5 2020 03:00pm)
well, you're not handing in an academic assignment, wiki is completely fine by me - especially an article like that with plenty external links.

i stand corrected, salmon is apparently completely unproblematic in terms of mercury (did some reading, and apparently it has some serious other issues, at least the cheap one from fish farms, maybe that's what i remembered). anyway, thanks for the source.


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