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Jul 17 2020 01:34am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 17 2020 02:22am)
No not really, HRT usually only involves estrodial as a female hormone, combined with spironolactone as an antiandrogen. Everything past that is superfluous, like the dubious use of progesterone. Or the use of analogs like GnRH, same thing.
Go look up any recommended HRT dosages and prescriptions, its not some cocktail of hormones.


So was he given an antiandrogen?
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Jul 17 2020 01:48am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 17 2020 02:34am)
So was he given an antiandrogen?


by the doctor who's theory was high testosterone? that would have made too much sense
trying to solve behavioral issues by effectively mixing uppers and downers

Using spironolactone with estrodial is the much safer version of feminizing therapy, because using just estrogens actually was a treatment regime years ago for conditions like prostate cancer, but with all those horrifying side effects from clashing hormones. And of course, those feminizing effects are why non-transition treatments moved towards non-feminizing blockers and why transition uses estrodial pills.
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Jul 17 2020 02:19am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 16 2020 11:26pm)
Oh they're just trying to feminize him psychologically and physically, altering his physical and mental sexual development to turn him into a woman. How could anyone mischaracterize that as a forced gender transition?
They diagnosed him as suffering from too much toxic masculinity and felt the need to force a female identity on him

Mengele's legacy lives on under the DSM-V


I do think that these doctors need to be held accountable for basically giving a rogue prescription. On the other hand, I wonder why you feel so strongly about a man being slightly more feminine. Can you explain why this particular result is so upsetting to you?
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Jul 17 2020 02:32am
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I do think that these doctors need to be held accountable for basically giving a rogue prescription. On the other hand, I wonder why you feel so strongly about a man being slightly more feminine. Can you explain why this particular result is so upsetting to you?


I have a particular adversity to rogue doctors conducting unethical and torturous experiments on captive children
But this is not a story in isolation of lone wolf psychos, it is the natural consequence of a cultural envelope being pushed.
In a sensible world, someone would just identify the kid as problematic and either accept that as his personality he'll live with, or get him counselling.
In the world California's social scientists have constructed, if a kid from a troubled background has a chip on his shoulder, you instantly diagnose him with a 'disorder' they now list in the DSM-V, and the doctors play god and test out new radical pharmacological interventions. We accepted it as normal to diagnose mental illnesses and pump kids full of anti-psychotics and stimulants, we accepted it as normal to diagnose and treat gender dysphoria in kids with puberty blockers and sex hormones, it was only a matter of time until someone tried to mix column a and column b
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Jul 17 2020 02:37am
I blame The Duffington Post for Goom's obsession with trans conspiracy theories.
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Jul 17 2020 02:40am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 17 2020 10:32am)
I have a particular adversity to rogue doctors conducting unethical and torturous experiments on captive children
But this is not a story in isolation of lone wolf psychos, it is the natural consequence of a cultural envelope being pushed.
In a sensible world, someone would just identify the kid as problematic and either accept that as his personality he'll live with, or get him counselling.
In the world California's social scientists have constructed, if a kid from a troubled background has a chip on his shoulder, you instantly diagnose him with a 'disorder' they now list in the DSM-V, and the doctors play god and test out new radical pharmacological interventions. We accepted it as normal to diagnose mental illnesses and pump kids full of anti-psychotics and stimulants, we accepted it as normal to diagnose and treat gender dysphoria in kids with puberty blockers and sex hormones, it was only a matter of time until someone tried to mix column a and column b


This child was not diagnosed with gender dysphoria, so I don't think that this really answers the question.
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Jul 17 2020 03:12am
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This child was not diagnosed with gender dysphoria, so I don't think that this really answers the question.


Do you think this would have happened in a world where transgender crusaders hadn't normalized transition therapy for children?
The doctor prescribed him the pills the facility already kept on hand for treating gender dysphoria.

If a guy goes out in the street and shoots a cop before stripping naked and rubbing baked beans over his body and pronouncing himself Lord Kinbote descended from the stars to claim dominion over earth's population of capybaras, I'd say its an isolated incident of a deranged loon and doesn't reflect on society as a whole. If a guy who identifies with black lives matter goes out and shoots a cop while screaming 'come here pigs', I'd say its the product of a trend and a monster spawned by society.
When I look at someone like Mengele, I don't see a mad doctor so psychotic and evil he can only be explained as an aberration. He wasn't some mustache twirling two dimensional villain motivated by pure maliciousness. I see the logical product of a hyperrationalist society steeped in eugenics, dehumanization and ammoral pragmatism, the intersection of nazi rhetoric and medical hubris.
It takes a lot of enabling from society and the creeping normalization of inhumanity to reach that point.
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Jul 17 2020 03:19am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 17 2020 11:12am)
Do you think this would have happened in a world where transgender crusaders hadn't normalized transition therapy for children?
The doctor prescribed him the pills the facility already kept on hand for treating gender dysphoria.

If a guy goes out in the street and shoots a cop before stripping naked and rubbing baked beans over his body and pronouncing himself Lord Kinbote descended from the stars to claim dominion over earth's population of capybaras, I'd say its an isolated incident of a deranged loon and doesn't reflect on society as a whole. If a guy who identifies with black lives matter goes out and shoots a cop while screaming 'come here pigs', I'd say its the product of a trend and a monster spawned by society.
When I look at someone like Mengele, I don't see a mad doctor so psychotic and evil he can only be explained as an aberration. He wasn't some mustache twirling two dimensional villain motivated by pure maliciousness. I see the logical product of a hyperrationalist society steeped in eugenics, dehumanization and ammoral pragmatism, the intersection of nazi rhetoric and medical hubris.
It takes a lot of enabling from society and the creeping normalization of inhumanity to reach that point.


And so, in a world where doctors make mistakes (both intentionally and unintentionally) and give wrong treatments to patients, why are you so outraged over the case where someone received gender dysphoria related drugs?

Is it your belief that, if gender dysphoria were not treated, doctors would always prescribe correct medication?
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Jul 17 2020 03:46am
Quote (Skinned @ Jul 16 2020 04:26pm)
I was expecting a forced gender transition not uninformed bullshit.


Typical shillhead thread imo. Whole thing could have stopped here.

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Jul 17 2020 05:07am
Quote (Tyrantus @ Jul 17 2020 05:46am)
Typical shillhead thread imo. Whole thing could have stopped here.


Goom will endlessly wallow in the muck even without a leg to stand on. He will just slither around on his belly this thread and insist that down is up and that gender reassignments are just routine pediatric procedures.

He also wouldn't address why the kid was incarcerated or if the parents are guardians.

He is being very intellectually dishonest in this thread.

He sees the LGBTQ conspiracies under every rock, and to him the fags are literally trying to steal our children with sex changes.

He is full on Cam, Thor is right. Will be hard to take him seriously after this. He should stick to autistically rigid but bias court ruling analysis.

He should worry about his own mental illness.


Quote (balrog66 @ Jul 17 2020 02:37am)
Good to see you take a stand against circumcision Bogie!


That or he is calling his parents sex offenders.

I didn't circumsize my son when he was born. Evolution is fine, and i don't hate creation.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 17 2020 05:15am
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