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Jun 29 2020 07:19am

Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 29 2020 09:05am)

Wait what? this can't be real.. the R has already shown that having the word Socialist in your "tagline" makes you a democrat. This people should be giving out hemp biscuits.

People should read Nazi history. The Strasserist faction, social democrats, communist, and resistant traditional conservatives (two generals) were all killed in the Night of Long Knives, when Hitler consolidated his power and betrayed his SA "Brownshirts" for creating public havoc and its rampant homosexuality, and promised the german army they would be the only armed force in Germany. Ernst Rohm was the leader of the SA, this drunken barrel chested ass beating openly gay man . He was wanting to continue a second revolution that redistributed the wealth and split up the land of the aristrocracy and had a 3 million strong militia at his height. His nickname was "Machinegun king of bavaria". By the end of his life he was in the verge if a coup himself despite being very loyal to Hitler. He was the only person who called him Adolf and not Mein fuhrer.

SA street battles against the communist got too intense and Papa Hindenberg threatened to sack hitler and instill marshall law, which made hitler act on the Night of the Long Knives.

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Jun 29 2020 07:21am

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I have read a little bit of it.. I watched a History channel piece on it. It kind of skimmed the surface but interesting

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Jun 29 2020 09:33am

Quote (Skinned @ Jun 29 2020 07:50am)

Qft

You guys will just make excuses like battered house wives when it is substanciated.

A neonazi terrorist drove a car into a crowd of people in Charlottesville. A boogaloo brown shirt has killed a fed.

Neonazis have a kill count this year.

These dudes haven't wrote that in their permit since they marched through the village of Skokie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie#:~:text=I,%20XIV-,National%20Socialist%20Party%20of%20America%20v.,speech%20and%20freedom%20of%20assembly.

Same dudes.

It was a neo Nazi rally
>Nuh uh!
It was organized by neo Nazis
>Means nothing!
All the speakers were white supremacists
>THIS IS NORMAL
They literally marched through the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us"
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THATS NOT WHAT IT SAYS ON THE PERMIT

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Jun 29 2020 02:11pm

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Seems like you want our historical figures to be a remembered for their positive traits and not their negative ones.

If Kenendy was a pederast then that should affect his legacy and we should evaluate our figures in history soberly lest we avoid bullshit like Great Man in History theory and historical revisionism.

Our history is already more mythology than fact as it stands.

I want them to being remembered accurately and as whole as we are able to preserve them as historical figures; warts and all. I'm not suggesting that these figures who are being removed from the public eye should be glorified or mythologized, necessarily, but I think it is a point of hopeless naivety to think you can erase them and all the negative historical baggage associated with them. Educate the people so they understand context and can attempt to not repeat bad mistakes made by those figures.

I absolutely agree on the Kennedy. Whatever he did remains true and belongs to time and cannot be changed even if you close down his museum in Boston.

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I suppose I'm confused about how you would conceptualize the difference between societal reflection, growth, and change v. moving towards an echo chamber.

In some ways, I feel like your sentiment can be applied to any form of social change.

I am all for societal reflection. I think that applies a certain degree of entertaining a subject (which doesn't seem to be the goal of people who want to remove material), discussing it, learning from it, etc. I find it puts certain offensive material in a box and makes it easier to categorically label and dismiss it entirely than actually deal with something that is painful.

I don't know how to evaluate the situation given I don't read all too much, but taking one example of Netflix removing certain classical films for whatever reason, I think it is easy to see the goal is for a corporation/group to remove things that offend people rather than put it into context and educate people to it. Gone With the Wind is important in film history, whether or not it is featured, removing it and deeming it "not okay" makes it easier to dismiss and makes people who may like it appear as though they endorse alleged "bad things" associated with it, whatever it may be.

Kind of neither here nor there but I've still never seen Gone With the Wind.

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Jun 29 2020 02:20pm

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 28 2020 10:32pm)

That's pretty weak sauce. I don't see people chanting Marxist tag lines like we saw people chanting "Jews will not replace us" at August 11th in Charlottesville. Maybe I'm wrong?

Even if every member of the BLM movement came out and said they were Marxist, they can organize marches around issues that are not Marxist, and I'd imagine if you asked the average person at the rally if this was a rally based on Marxist teachings you would get a weird look.

Yup, an interview with the leader is definitely not proof of actual rallies all over the place.

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