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May 7 2020 01:15pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 7 2020 02:10pm)


kinda glosses over the critical facts;

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(it’s not clear who initiated contact)


You can see on the video that Arbery was moving forwards and McMichael moving backwards for several frames before the first gunshot, after Arbery abruptly turned. Their feet are visible under the truck's door and going frame by frame its clearly Arbery charging forwards, his feet are leaving the ground, while McMichael is falling back. In addition to them visibly struggling over the gun a couple frames after its fired, the autopsy shows the first shot went through his palm at point blank range. How could that be rationally explained as anything other than Arbery initiating contact?
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May 7 2020 01:20pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 7 2020 03:15pm)
kinda glosses over the critical facts;



You can see on the video that Arbery was moving forwards and McMichael moving backwards for several frames before the first gunshot, after Arbery abruptly turned. Their feet are visible under the truck's door and going frame by frame its clearly Arbery charging forwards, his feet are leaving the ground, while McMichael is falling back. In addition to them visibly struggling over the gun a couple frames after its fired, the autopsy shows the first shot went through his palm at point blank range. How could that be rationally explained as anything other than Arbery initiating contact?


The dude wasn't just jogging towards these guys or with them and attacked them like you are portraying.

How could he possibly be seen as initiating contact when he was trying to evade the men? They chased the guy. You're leaving that out and presenting it as if these men werent brandishing a weapon at this guy which is criminal behavior.

It is insane you would agree to be treated like that.

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May 7 2020 01:22pm
Quote (Ghot @ May 7 2020 11:39am)
Uh, reasonable suspicion. Not because he was black, but because he was TWICE "jogging" in the same area, and he had a criminal record, which McMichaels already knew about because he worked for the AG's office.

/e And someone called 911 as well.

/ee On a side note... in 63 years I've never seen a black guy jogging on the street. Even in Cali... the birth place of joggers.


LMFAO

Quote (Santara @ May 7 2020 11:35am)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_States

If citizens can arrest citizens when a crime is committed in their presence, why do we defend cops when they kill, but freak out when the McMichaels do it?


That is narrowly tailored and I can't imagine a circumstance where I'd want to put myself in danger if I witnessed a crime. Like I've said before, if someone in plain clothes told me to get into their car at gunpoint, I'd assume I'm being kidnapped.

Quote (Ghot @ May 7 2020 11:32am)
Well since race is NOT important to me, I wouldn't apologize for being white.
But trying to outrun a shotgun, or grab one out of someone's hand is.... about the stupidest thing you can do.

Which part of that don't you understand. Because I can definitely explain it to you.

The negro tried to run away but they wouldn't let him. The flight route is no longer a viable option so you fight. Yes, it's stupid to grab a shotgun, but he probably felt like he'd be shot in the back anyway so he didn't really have much to lose. This is why you don't pull guns on random people unless your life is in danger.
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May 7 2020 01:37pm
Quote (thundercock @ May 7 2020 03:22pm)
LMFAO



That is narrowly tailored and I can't imagine a circumstance where I'd want to put myself in danger if I witnessed a crime. Like I've said before, if someone in plain clothes told me to get into their car at gunpoint, I'd assume I'm being kidnapped.


The negro tried to run away but they wouldn't let him. The flight route is no longer a viable option so you fight. Yes, it's stupid to grab a shotgun, but he probably felt like he'd be shot in the back anyway so he didn't really have much to lose. This is why you don't pull guns on random people unless your life is in danger.
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I can understand why he might be scared... I mean he was in the south east, and he was black... etc. But even so...I don't think I would try to grab a shotgun barrel.

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May 7 2020 01:43pm
i challenge anyone to create a scenario in which trash like bi-ghot and goon-shill would NOT try to at least partially blame the black dude for being killed. it's virtually impossible...
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i challenge anyone to create a scenario in which trash like bi-ghot and goon-shill would NOT try to at least partially blame the black dude for being killed. it's virtually impossible...



And I challenge anyone to find a situation where YOU wouldn't try to blame people being racist, when all they SAID was... might wanna wait for all the facts before lynching the white guy.
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May 7 2020 01:51pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 7 2020 02:15pm)
kinda glosses over the critical facts;



You can see on the video that Arbery was moving forwards and McMichael moving backwards for several frames before the first gunshot, after Arbery abruptly turned. Their feet are visible under the truck's door and going frame by frame its clearly Arbery charging forwards, his feet are leaving the ground, while McMichael is falling back. In addition to them visibly struggling over the gun a couple frames after its fired, the autopsy shows the first shot went through his palm at point blank range. How could that be rationally explained as anything other than Arbery initiating contact?



While Arbery initiated the contact during the last few moments of the incident, it's clear within the video the McMichael's are clearly parked on a road blocking regular traffic flow awaiting contact with Arbery. That being said, Arbery was running against the flow of traffic, not sure why he didn't just bolt after seeing what was laid out ahead. IMO, McMichael's set the requisite for contact to occur, and McMichael's set the escalation ceiling by packing that much heat. I'd lay more initiating contact blame onto McMichael's.
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Quote (RedFromWinter @ May 7 2020 02:51pm)
While Arbery initiated the contact during the last few moments of the incident, it's clear within the video the McMichael's are clearly parked on a road blocking regular traffic flow awaiting contact with Arbery. That being said, Arbery was running against the flow of traffic, not sure why he didn't just bolt after seeing what was laid out ahead. IMO, McMichael's set the requisite for contact to occur, and McMichael's set the escalation ceiling by packing that much heat. I'd lay more initiating contact blame onto McMichael's.


yeah, its why a significant legal issue is whether the McMichaels had a legal right to confront him, and whether it precluded their self-defense if they didn't
I feel like given the facts of the case, its extremely hard to argue that if everything the McMichaels did was kosher up to the moment Arbery rushed them, that they couldn't defend themselves. I don't think there's any scenario where a guy could bumrush you in rage while struggling for a gun and you couldn't legally defend yourself, I'd say 99%+ chance McMichael would be dead if Arbery had gotten control of the gun at that point. If you could transplant everyone in this encounter in a vacuum to that exact moment, no lead-up, nobody at fault for the circumstances or decision making aforethought, then you've got a case of one guy who rushes another unexpectedly and quite insanely. So the question about the circumstances remains, did the McMichaels escalate the scenario illegally and create unjustifiable circumstances? In some states, they would clearly be at fault. But Georgia has that pretty wide citizen's arrest law.
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May 7 2020 02:54pm
just look at the mental gymnastics those racist engage in, trying to justify the murder. simply disgusting.
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May 7 2020 03:32pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 7 2020 12:15pm)
kinda glosses over the critical facts;



You can see on the video that Arbery was moving forwards and McMichael moving backwards for several frames before the first gunshot, after Arbery abruptly turned. Their feet are visible under the truck's door and going frame by frame its clearly Arbery charging forwards, his feet are leaving the ground, while McMichael is falling back. In addition to them visibly struggling over the gun a couple frames after its fired, the autopsy shows the first shot went through his palm at point blank range. How could that be rationally explained as anything other than Arbery initiating contact?



You had better fucking initiate contact if you have any hope of surviving someone with a gun when you are unarmed.
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