84% of people in US live in urban environments. I live in a medium sized city of like 250k. I could drive downtown and check into a hotel with 50 stories for less than 150 bucks. Even small cities have downtown areas with buildings that are 10+.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on May 9 2020 11:32am

But do they provide you with convenient access from which to jump?

Most buildings, especially hotels, don't exactly allow roof access, and it's not really easy to break the windows in these places.

I don't think you've actually thought this through like I have... and I'm not saying that as a jab at you, I'm saying from about 22-26 I spent an inordinate amount of time evaluating how to kill myself.

Hotels, office building have windows. I don't need to reach the roof to crawl out of a window on the 37th floor. Even if it's a a window that doesn't open, nothing a metal hotel chair couldn't solve in a few minutes.

Sure, but now you've got a sequence of events going

Find a sufficiently high hotel
Drive 20 minutes to it
check in
go to hotel room
break window
jump out



Whereas for a gun the sequence for most Americans is
Go to pawn shop (which are god damn everywhere. I'm 100% sure I've been closer to a pawn shop than a hotel the majority of my life)
Buy gun and some ammo
Load gun
Shoot

or

Go to already owned gun
load gun
shoot


Now let's factor in that gun suicide success rates are far higher than jumping suicide success rates (gun success rates outshine every other method by a strong margin) and you've got an inevitable conclusion. Guns provide much easier access to suicide compared to jumping out of a building, guns require less forethought during the action (storing it until you're ready versus having to go get a hotel every time and break the window).

Let's just say, there's a reason why gun suicide success rates are the highest of all methods yet are a small minority of attempts.

Parking garages don't have windows.

/e neither do bridges.

This post was edited by Santara on May 9 2020 11:59am

Most sufficiently high bridges I know are secured by nets/grids.


Anyway, I think what thor described is the key difference: a gun will be waiting in your own home, easily accessible at your worst, weakest moment. Going through all the steps with a hotel, or all these other methods, takes time and effort. The threshold in terms of determination and willpower that has to be overcome is far higher with such a method than with suicide by gun.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 9 2020 12:08pm

The other guys have already touched on this, but let me reiterate in my own words.

A gun in your house is far more accessible to just pick up when you're drunk, pissed off, just had an argument with the wife etc. All you have to do is put it against your head and pull the trigger.

Going out to the top of a building and having the courage to jump after looking down takes more guts...and more importantly, it requires more premeditation than a spur-of-the-moment decision to kill oneself with a gun.

If guns weren't around, suicides would be lower. End of story.

This post was edited by dro94 on May 9 2020 12:54pm

stop making stupid arguments. This isn't even "up for debate" they have facts about it. what you are trying to prove is for all these by firearm deaths they would go find another method..
SMH
https://www.sprc.org/scope/means-suicide

It's also 80% success rate for firearms versus 30 ish for jumpers.



No bridges within probably 800 miles high enough for me. Same with parking garages. Probably not going to die from a 4 story fall, at least not at a high enough success rate for it to be considered.

Highway overpass & oncoming traffic. ezpk