Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 23 2020 02:03pm)

im not sure if you're making an aside, criticism, or agreement with my post lol.

i remember watching the doc on golden gate bridge suicides and i think there was 1 survivor and the other 30 or so they referenced were deaths.

there are certainly a large number of half measures people use, and i agree guns aren't one of them. what i think would be an interesting stat would be the % of gun suicides with a previous attempt via another method. i just dont like the argument of suicide generally as an argument against guns, because we can't calculate the meta due to guns always being here and likely remaining for quite some time. we can compare to other first world nations, but why? its not valid when we do it on education, wealth disparity, etc. we're too different. gun suicides and suicide generally are likely the same.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 23 2020 11:32am)

if they fail and try again with jumping off of a 30 story building it's more effective than a gun. the risk factor isn't 2 stage, it's factorial.

and in any case this premise is deeply flawed, failed suicide attempts have as much to do with the person not really wanting to die in as many cases as failing due to the chosen method.

if u "want do die" you slit your wrists 5 minutes before a loved one comes home, if you want to die in earnest u use a gun. so failed attempts aren't truly equivalent, no one who tries a gun is on the fence.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 23 2020 01:59pm)

and people who don't have access to a gun? Or who don't have convenient access to the roof of a 30 story building?

I'm sorry but the bolded is just a really stupid thing to say. You're trying to judge "degrees of wanting to die" by if the attempt was successful or not..... it's honestly a bit sick. "He just tried to kill himself for attention, otherwise he would have used a gun" is not too far off from what you said.

Quote (Skinned @ Apr 23 2020 01:57pm)

As someone who is around it a lot and has struggled with the idea plenty i consider many suicides to be acute mental health attacks, like a heart attack, a sudden and acute exacerbation and very impulsive. These are the cases that benefit greatly from a psychiatric hospitalization.

There are those, and there are people who are "in it to win it", who when we meet they have made arrangements, have no future orientation, and aren't labile or agitated or even upset about anything. Those are people who will go on and complete a suicide plan.

More adding an aside. I'd be interested in knowing how many acts of deliberate self harm have resulted in accidental death as well as your question.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 23 2020 02:08pm)

when my sister was 13 her best friend tried to do just that, she slit her wrists at a time when her parents were supposed to be coming home, because she was depressed and her parents were anti therapy. she didnt want to die, but her parents were late and she bled out. this was all confirmed by her diary where she detailed her plan, with the time she was going to do it.

im sorry you dont think these people exist, but some people do self harm up to near suicide for attention, or to punish themselves for something, or just due to a traumatic event that desensitized them to pain/strangulation, etc. you dont know any cutters? or self erotic choking people?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 23 2020 03:11pm)

I know for a fact those people exist, but you can't say with any level of confidence that method equates to seriousness unless it's detailed out in a diary like in that case.

I've known cutters and they usually didn't make suicide attempts. They just made those shallow pussy cuts that any nurse or doctor worth their salt would see and immediately know it wasn't a serious attempt.

Quote (ZeroOath @ Apr 23 2020 04:38pm)

Still have not seen any proof of a 20-50 year old with zero underlying conditions and in otherwise good health dying specifically of this virus.

Nearly 40k people died and over 4 million were seriously injured last year in just the USA alone. At what point do we restrict people from driving anywhere at all?

Quote (Net @ Apr 23 2020 03:39pm)

Maybe you don't understand. This virus has only been pwning us for the past MONTH or so. So comparing it to a YEARLY number of deaths is idiotic. And comparing it to car wrecks, knowing that it's only 1/12 through the year? :rofl: