Quote (ThatAlex @ 4 Mar 2020 03:56)

Turns out when a state isn't all White people, Sanders doesn't do as well.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 3 Mar 2020 19:58)

Uh, he did really well in Nevada, which is very diverse and actually more closely resembles the demographics of their national primary electorate than South Carolina.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 3 2020 06:59pm)

Biden is past his prime. Not sure how anyone that watched any of the debates can think he's in his prime or can even form coherent arguments. It's sad that this is the best the Democrat establishment can offer.

Quote (thundercock @ 4 Mar 2020 04:02)

He is for sure past his prime. However, that might be better than certain candidates in their prime.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 3 2020 07:04pm)

Watch interviews with Trump from the 80s, 90s or early 00s, note how much sharper and more coherent he is in them. He's way past his prime too.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 Mar 2020 03:48)

perhaps its not so much about Biden providign progress, and more about Biden preventing a second Trump term from inflicting further damage?! Trump could attempt to repeal Obamacare entirely if he's reelected and the GOP retakes the House. he would most definitely leave a supreme court and federal judiciary which are so conservative that even a progressive president with solid majorities in both chambers of Congress wouldnt be able to get anything done - and not just for one 4-year term, we're talking about solid conservative majorities in the federal courts for 1 or even 2 full decades.

your entire line of reasoning is based on the assumption that Bernie would have the same chance in the general against Trump as Biden, or perhaps even do better.

Quote (fender @ Mar 3 2020 07:35pm)

you are aware that this completely contradicts the gist of the post you quoted there and characterised as 'correct', right?

ice mage is suggesting that the lobbyists' control of america is somehow a far-fetched conspiracy theory.

also, concerning your (obviously false) dichotomy: for option 2 to happen, wouldn't the basic requirement be that the candidate that makes that happen is NOT beholden to said "control of lobbies and corporate interests" that determine american policies?


biden voters are people who keep sending money to nigerian princes, and still expecting to see any of it back, probably even profit.
bernie voters are people who want to show america that even if the ruling caste of politicians might prevent his ideas from being fully implemented, the desire is there, and people are sick of being promised little, and receiving nothing. they are showing that meaningful change actually has political support.

speaks for itself how you choose to frame it.

Quote (fender @ Mar 3 2020 07:10pm)

i said it before, i'll say it again: biden is the embodiment of everything voters rejected in 2016. he will not mobilise any young or leftist voters, which the democrats NEED to add to their reliable voters in order to beat trump in this weird and rigged system that favours him. additionally, he is a gaffe factory, with an incredibly flawed political record, and he's also quite obviously mentally deteriorating - and i'm saying that without any glee or satisfaction, as it's obviously not his fault - but it's undeniable.
to assume that he has a better chance against trump than someone who has a decades long track record of standing up for average americans, disenfranchised groups, and social justice - a guy who can attack trump on all his corruption and incompetence without being a massive hypocrite about it, is questionable at best - even with the undeniable support of mainstream media, which trump has demonstrated can only get you so far...