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Jan 14 2020 09:40pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 14 2020 07:33pm)
I wonder if the results of a poll asking if someone thought the labor of a persons work should be better compensated, and if a landlord is a parasite would yield ironic results.


If you did they would call you a communist.. LOL
Labor unions what used to be a R wing idea, is now called communist and crazy L wing. However these same people want better paying jobs..???
you don't get them.. too bad its capitalism unchecked.. Look into our economic tax and wage scale from the 50's to where we are now.
All the wondering about why nobody has money should be answered
Nixon is the real catalyst to the road we are on now. Being multiplied by Trump and to some degree RR also.
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Jan 14 2020 10:22pm
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Jan 14 2020 11:52pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 14 2020 10:21pm)
The economy has become one where you make money by owning, not by producing. The rationale that some people make money by absorbing risk through ownership stops being convincing when it becomes rampant.


This has always been the economy, read the bible.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 14 2020 10:18pm)
True. I build apartments and condos this housing crisis is rampant CAPITALISM not some socialist issue causing it. People have the "what" so backwards.
It gets boring to hear "socialism is causing the homeless crisis.." sorry it's unchecked capitalism that the root. I know because I'm in it.


I don't think anyone says that socialism is "causing the homeless crisis". Most criticisms of socialism revolve around real world examples of socialism impoverishing, killing, and otherwise creating misery for millions of people.

Homelessness is a fringe problem. It does not represent an existential threat to society. Rent is expensive where I live, but I have options. I can move further out from downtown, I can move to a less desirable neighborhood, I can move out of the city entirely. All of these things have benefits and drawbacks. Building homes, though, fundamentally reduces housing and rent costs by increasing supply. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Jan 15 2020 12:24am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 14 2020 07:28pm)
in new York, florida, California, Washington, sure. many other places its not expensive to buy homes in a fairly strong but not overpriced market. I told someone I bought a nice house on a big lot in the country for 150k, they thought it was a junk rental property because they're from California. there's a lot in that range in my area which is a very affordable 1kish mortgage.

many people my age still rent from large complex apartments, mainly so they can avoid doing all the work a property takes. how can we glorify and spotlight the prevalence of single motherhood and vilify the landlord? my single mother couldn't find a screwdriver in a 3 tool drawer. without landlords we'd have been toast.

there is a baseline in this topic that hasn't been flushed out. the advantage of raising a family in a home rather than an apartment. a backyard, lower noise, driveway/garage, etc. apartments suck to raise kids in by comparison. this alone is a baseline service landlords serve that isn't quantified in any "they shouldn't have profits from this" math. not that much math has been applied in the topic.


I think a major point of contention is the idea that landlords exist to generate profit on people's inherit need/desire for shelter. My SJW Socialist Paradise™ isn't coming into existence anytime soon, but in the meantime, why does the price of rent need to far exceed the cost of construction and maintenance such that it generates significant profit?

Also, people want to live in those states because places like Nebraska suck in terms of natural environments.
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Jan 15 2020 04:41am
There are two issues I think.

1: Landlords have a reputation of being very, very passive. They own the building and have responsibilities to keep the building in good shape, but when there's a problem they will usually act extremely slowly. They typically own many properties and see this as an easy way to make money, which means they don't have the necessary staff to provide proper maintenance and support.

2: Housing prices are skyrocketing, and they have been for years. I know housing prices have increased as well so the increase of rent cost is partly justified, but to me (and most people) it definitely looks like landlords are taking a much larger cut than they were xx years ago. Tenants notice that they are paying more and more while not getting more in return (quite closely related to my first point), which strengthens the feeling that they're being ripped off.

Where I live the situation is a bit better than in the USA (largely due to tenant rights being enforced extremely strongly), but those overall frustrations are still there.

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Jan 15 2020 05:07am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 14 2020 05:26pm)
Ok so let's say a low end property has a 500$ rent. And costs 50$ in cash to maintain on average (appliances etc). And the mortgage costs 300$. Leaving 150$ as "profit". How is the landlord paid for the time it takes to maintain the property if they aren't allowed the 150$? They just mow the lawn, clean after move out, and shop for and install appliances for free?



Don't try and choose a means of income that takes advantage of those less fortunate than you. Much like there are non profit organizations, low end residential should be restricted to non profit. Contribute something productive to make your income.

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Jan 15 2020 06:03am
at the mercy tbh
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Jan 15 2020 07:03am
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I think a major point of contention is the idea that landlords exist to generate profit on people's inherit need/desire for shelter. My SJW Socialist Paradise™ isn't coming into existence anytime soon, but in the meantime, why does the price of rent need to far exceed the cost of construction and maintenance such that it generates significant profit?

Also, people want to live in those states because places like Nebraska suck in terms of natural environments.


what im getting out of all of this is landlords arent an issue inherently, its slum lords and super overpriced apartment complex owners. ironically the flavor of choice in this topic has been those who own family homes, when in reality they run a slim profit margin compared to apartment complex owners. having a rental property or two pays like a part time job while boosting your assets, its not a large profit endeavor.

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Don't try and choose a means of income that takes advantage of those less fortunate than you. Much like there are non profit organizations, low end residential should be restricted to non profit. Contribute something productive to make your income.


so ban cigarettes, soda, H&R block's walmart tax day-of refunds, check cashing business, etc etc etc?
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Jan 15 2020 08:11am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 15 2020 08:03am)
what im getting out of all of this is landlords arent an issue inherently, its slum lords and super overpriced apartment complex owners. ironically the flavor of choice in this topic has been those who own family homes, when in reality they run a slim profit margin compared to apartment complex owners. having a rental property or two pays like a part time job while boosting your assets, its not a large profit endeavor.



so ban cigarettes, soda, H&R block's walmart tax day-of refunds, check cashing business, etc etc etc?



That's a bit of a stretch don't you think?

Yes those quick loan money marttype places should be banned as should compounded interwat loans.

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Jan 15 2020 08:15am
Quote (Hecht55 @ Jan 15 2020 08:11am)
That's a bit of a stretch don't you think?


I make overarching decisions based on morals. if i had the moral stand that laws should prevent people from financially "taking advantage" of the poor in the context you're using it in, i'd be against soda, cigarettes, check into cash, etc.

I actually believe that cash checking places should be banned, or at least heavily restricted in their profit margins. but that's because i feel the abuse is far worse in that industry than people who own rental properties.

generally my crux with your stand is that you stated openly no one should be allowed to own 2 family homes. 2? you're all the way down to 2? that's just a part time job, not some serious case of abuse. if it's 10? 20? or even 5 houses? i get that. that landlord isnt maintaining shit right im sure. but 2?

i lived in a duplex where the owner lived next door. he just wanted to control who his neighbors were and make a small amount of money as a side job. but that guy is evil?

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Yes those quick loan money marttype places should be banned as should compounded interwat loans.


there we agree entirely.

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