The UK must not have had the Bullwinkle and Rocky cartoon, or there would probably be some Boris and Natasha jokes. The obviously Russian enemies of our heroes.






This post was edited by Ghot on Dec 13 2019 05:26am

Welp.

Not gonna lie it's a pretty disappointing result.

Back to the drawing board for socialism in the UK. Rip.

Is there any chance for an alternative left-wing movement now that Labour has been decimated?

The only Labour politician to become Prime Minister over the last 40 (!) years was Tony Blair, who was a neoliberal servant of corporate interests as well.
Perhaps there just is no majority for socialism in the UK, and classical social democracy is the most leftist stance with majority appeal.



Sure, just not the Corbynite version of it. The only chance for Corbynism or generic socialism that I see in the UK in the nearer future is if BoJo fails spectacularly and Brexit turns out to be an apocalyptic disaster for the economy. In that case, an anti-Tory backlash might be strong enough to carry even someone like Corbyn into power. But I wouldnt consider such a scenario likely.

Guess we'll have to see what the atmosphere is like post Brexit. Brexit is a huge barrier. Corbyn's policies are quite popular by and large but the whole election was overshadowed by the Brexit issue. I honestly do still believe, and polling seems to confirm, that people are sick of austerity. People value our NHS. Our public services etc.

'Get Brexit Done' was a slogan that spoke very much to a fatigued Britain. It is largely vapid because labour promised the same thing by other means... But it was snappy and simple.

Corbyn has been relentlessly monstered by the press too. Anti-Semitism smears, terrorist sympathising, economically inept even though 160+ economists from our universities all signed a letter saying his policies weren't only sound but genuinely good.

Corbyn is damaged goods now though. The smears have worked. The left needs to take a step back, reassess and examine the post Brexit climate. Present another candidate with the policies from this manifesto that polling tells us are popular when the conservatives start breaking their promises.

I remain positive about our prospects... But sorely pained by the situation we find ourselves in today.

If BoJo delivers on nothing else he has at least broken the Brexit deadlock... And when the next election comes hopefully it can be fought on the issues that genuinely matter to every day people. Food banks, poverty, healthcare and so on. The conservatives will make these problems worse for the vast majority of people as they have continuously for the last decade.

The conservatives have this time to show us exactly the country they want to build and I remain confident that in the end the people will reject that dystopian, corporatist vision. But maybe I'm too optimistic.

MIGHT? not being "openly opposed to" it, somehow negates years of privatising and gutting the NHS?!

seriously, buddy... how often are you going to (pretend to) fall for things conservatives, who have a long history of doing the exact opposite, promise?
i bet you believed trump when he promised to 'drain the swamp', didn't you? when he pretended to be fiscally conservative, when he repeatedly claimed that millionaires and billionaires wouldn't see a dime from his tax reforms... are you people really that gullible?!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nhs-privatisation-sale-boris-johnson-conservatives-general-election-a9241881.html

Most of the UK is inhabited by people with the same mindset as a redneck from Alabama. It isn’t surprising that they vote against their own interests like idiots. Birds of a feather.

No shit corbyn policies are popular. You ask any dickhead on the street if he likes free shit and he's gonna say yes. But you mash all that together with a load of other bollocks that totals what, somewhere just shy of one trillion quid? People aren't gonna eat it. And that was just including what was actually in the manifesto! 2 days later they're blabbing on about women missing pensions so they're gonna throw tens of billions at them (not costed!) to try and win their votes.

People are sick of austerity, hence why the tories have now opened the coffers, that doesn't now mean we have to go full retard and bankrupt ourselves. 50,000 more nurses, 20,000 more coppers, wtf are people still banging the austerity drum for?

I genuinely can not believe the level that the left got themselves into their own bubble. One glance at twitter and you see the level of it, thousands of young people "omg, I believed, everyone on my timeline was a corbyn supporter how did this happen bla bla bla". You see it in your post ffs. The biggest electoral humiliation of my lifetime, and probably yours, and you still can't see what's 2 inches from your face.

If Labour are losing seats like blyth Valley and Workington, then the problems are far deeper with their message than just "muh brexit". Yet the momentum mongrels, and daft fucks like you, and still stuck on repeat. Get back towards the centre where you belong, so actual working class people can vote for Labour again.

Embarrassing stuff.

Gotta say this does not make me like first past the post any more. LibDem really get shafted sharing most of their voter pop distribution with Labour/Tories.