pronouns as a group in total aren't based in biology, but gender based pronouns are.

"he" and "she" were created to reflect the biological sex of the person. shifting the definition to identity, rather than the traditional practice of referring directly to their genitalia, is new.

"he" meant person with penis until about what? 2010? now no one is even quite sure what it means.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 29 2019 01:47pm

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I have a "schtick".



But then, again, you're not using pronouns based off of biology. Makes sense that you use pronouns based off of visual and auditory characteristics, and using someone's "true pronouns" requires conscious effort after-the-fact.

And so do you go out of your way to use someone's "true pronouns" when you find out they were assigned male at birth despite you assuming they're a woman by your discerning glance?

So.... Does Winnie the Pooh have a penis?

Of course he has a penis, we refer to him as he.

I just finished watching the series Steven Universe. Despite none of the Gem characters having sexes the universally use female pronouns. It really hits home that pronouns are based on a set of characteristics we assign as feminine and not biology.

TIL the term "barbie girl" isn't accurate either....

genitalia are redacted from materials for children all the time, that doesn't make the resulting characters sexually ambiguous.

the real question is why are you two pro putting genitalia on children's toys. that's fucked up.




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This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 29 2019 02:10pm

You're right, it doesn't make them sexually ambiguous. It makes them sexless. So clearly pronouns were never based on the presence of genitalia.

In truth pronouns used to be based on a set of characteristics that society assigned as feminine. The idea that you waited to see somebody's dick before saying he/him proves that it was never based on dicks.


I mean.... unless you have some kind of headcanon that Winnie the Pooh has a concealed retractable penis.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 29 2019 02:12pm

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This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 29 2019 02:20pm

you have an interesting relationship with time.....

english, and he/she by extension, are thousands of years older the Winnie the Pooh.

if we go back even further we see that almost 100% of art made by early civilizations had either exaggerated breasts or an exaggerated penis. so even before English our ancestors used a strict sexual binary, even their gods had sex.

in the case of Winnie, his penis isn't missing, it's implied. that's what the author calling him "he" meant.

around the time that "he" and "she" were created women and men were not similar in appearance. women wore loose shifts or dresses, men wore pants and tunics. you didn't need to see their junk to know what sex they were, that's basically the entire story of Mulan. everyone assumed that she was male because she dressed like it.

i can see how you'd be confused with thinking the pronoun was based on characteristics, rather than genitalia, if you're ignorant of the facts. in reality those characteristics were exclusive to those sexes, in the year 1,000 no men wore dresses (as a general rule).




it really is this simple, stick with me now, "he" historically has meant person with penis that shoots the sperm in the "she", which means person with vagina that can turn said sperm into a baby then feed it milk from "her" breasts. the terms were created directly to differentiate between the sexes, they were not created to refer to "person who wears dress". that's a correlation error in thinking it was causation.

edit: and this part is just silly:



the pronoun was created for the opposite reason, so you didnt have to see their genitalia to find out if you could mate with them.



i know you liberals like to hack up language but i didnt think history was on the docket this badly..... take an anthro class? lol

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 29 2019 02:26pm