Pretty much.

If the Bible is true dementia and Insanity will be a thing of the past, as we are promised a new glorified body.
I can relate to your unwillingness and being lost in the vodka, the dogma of Christianity is however a simplification in words of a much greater reality. As Lewis points out among others. The dogma of atheism, that there is no God and that the universe spontaneously out of nothing expanded into everything, including human beings, mind ,intelligence, and a longing for love and something much greater than what meets the eye at first gaze - sounds to me implausible but also unintuitive and something that would scare the hell out of me!

This post was edited by LazyDazy on Mar 8 2019 12:27pm

Oddly, Lewis was a rather elementary writer. There are many other Christian authors you may wish to look into. Not the ideal paragon of faith.

And no, the dogma of atheism is not any more realistic. Is it possible, perhaps, that there might be something in between?

Tell me, given that mass (matter and energy) is neither created nor destroyed, is it possible that the energy of what you think of as your soul may simply become part of something or someone else?

I mean, given the physical nature of our world, is reincarnation less likely than a supernatural force?

I'm not talking about faith. I'm talking about a slightly more productive conversation, where you need to think for yourself, outside of your holy books and their parables.

If you have some recommendations I'm open to new literature!
What do you think of Jordan Peterson and his biblical analysis? He makes it clear that while you might not Believe in a personal creator the Bible is a source of great knowledge and wisdom. So yeah let's talk and think for ourselves but as the Bible is very realistic in it's description of the human condition why dismiss it?

Before we talk reincarnation, let's point out that we don't even grasp what our minds are. Sure a lot can be described in physical explanations but there also seem to be an underlying metaphysical nature to it. The mind could be described as memory, reaction to emotions and feelings, but your inner voice, you being conscious and aware is surely a great mystery. A long with our intelligence and understanding of logic and reason.
So what ever caused the universe is something transcended from the physical universe, something outside time, something cabable to make the universe into what it is. Why there is a universe is mind-blowing, yet alone human beings walking around with existential crisises. Why is the universe fine tuned for life? I believe all logical and intuitive conclusions lead to God. And the number one problem to not believe in him seems to be a penis problem, but also a much more serious and personal problem.

As Lewis describe in his own conversion story, he would not believe In God as he would not submit his own will to someone else. He would rather be free, but could it be said that's an illusion as you become a slave to sin and the self-destructive nature of your own will? And at the same time you're walking a long and lonely walk towards an eternity of nothingness.

This post was edited by LazyDazy on Mar 8 2019 01:12pm

I think he want to reincarnate in an iraqi child starving water and getting sick, so he could have no regrets at all.

well i can link you the conversation here:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72969075&f=119&p=543534466

Hf

Nope, I let them speak for themselves.

Go looking for literature on "the Bible condemns slavery" and you'll find a wealth of teachings, and if you watch shows like The Atheist Experience you'll see that virtually every week somebody calls in to say how the Bible definitely outlaws all slavery.

I mean the Greeks managed it. The Romans managed it before Christianity. 'Doing science' is not restricted to Christian cultures. Neither is individualism necessary for scientific progress.

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=IrOqnZdvI6M



You are no lesser a sinner than homosexuals IceMage. Perhaps more so.
If sorcerers can't be christians than christians can't be sorcerers. Do you need me to explain the inherent problems to you?

Right. And every day I hear how "The majority of Americans support the Green New Deal, including a lot of republicans," and then when repolled and asked, "If your tax rate has to go up to 86% over the next 10 years, along with the tax rate of every other American, do you still support the Green New Deal?" there is suddenly such a statistically low number of yes votes that it's called "margin of error".

People are fucking stupid, dude. And the people who know the least tend to shout the loudest, and be the absolute first to change their mind on a whim.

Yes, there are Christians who don't know their own holy books. I would jump right out and say, "The majority of them." The same is true with Muslims, in fact. In both cases, the majority of them know what their Preacher/Iman tells them, and not a whole lot more. Reading the bible is hard. There are lots of words. Shit, nearly as many as in my posts. How do you think the average ditch digger is going to be able to work through all that?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 9 2019 11:51am

The Bible teaches us that not all are to understand. Luke 8:10 (kjv)

Yes reading the Bible is hard. Understanding it even harder.

Too many Christians simply take the word of a preacher without checking them out.

So it is easy for anyone including a preacher to take a part of the bible and use it to further their own agenda.

I don't think people are fkn stupid.

Most are more concerned with putting food on the table and paying the rent to take the time necessary to study God's word or pay the amount of attention that most politics require.
Pastor Ron