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Jul 1 2018 08:06am
We already honor them by naming our mascots Indians and Redskins. What more do they want?
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Quote (IceMage @ Jul 1 2018 09:06am)
We already honor them by naming our mascots Indians and Redskins. What more do they want?


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Quote (Beowulf @ Jul 1 2018 03:05pm)
born and raised lakota on tribal land

genetically mixed

mother was a closeted christian paternal side a mix of the old ways and the consequences of inheriting abuse and addiction forced upon by the true savages of the time


You talk about the "true savages of the time".
Do you believe that the Americans have changed, and that they are no longer wild?

Americans destroy nature.
And they financed Adolf Hitler.

The Indians of America are not the only victims of the barbarity of the Americans.

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You talk about the "real savages of the time".
Do you believe that the Americans have changed, and that they are no longer wild?

Americans destroy nature.
And they financed Adolf Hitler.

The Indians of America are not the only victims of the barbarity of the Americans.


I don't know the hearts of others but we as a society have made progress and when progress is made the poor and vulnerable benefit

We have too many poverty stricken places in america and too much despair for a country with our potential and abilities

it's unacceptable

To label humans or americans as only destructive to others and to the environment is lazy and giving up and when it comes to contributing to a world better for children and personal growth for betterment of myself I don't give up

What matters most is improvement of policy and behavior to stop the bleeding in the areas in and out of this country that have been harmed by violent or abusive policy and action

That's why I talk about voting so much it is the most powerful tool a poor person will ever have from local government all the way to the presidency

It's also why I stand daily with the women and children trying to get here because of terrible conditions that are no fault of their own


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We have too many poverty stricken places in america and too much despair for a country with our potential and abilities


That's the West.
In the West, negative reinforcement is used to create progress.

One day, I hope, there will be enough social intelligence in society, so that there is no need for negative reinforcement.



As long as there is no elaborate social intelligence, there will be negative reinforcement and poverty.



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It's also why I stand daily with the women and children trying to get here because of terrible conditions that are no fault of their own


Are you talking about Mexican migrants?

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That's the West.
In the West, negative reinforcement is used to create progress.

One day, I hope, there will be enough social intelligence in society, so that there is no need for negative reinforcement.





Are you talking about Mexican migrants?
I would like to be sure.


Any women and their children fleeing rape and abuse or the torture by drug gangs/corrupt governments and terrible environments that our polices have contributed to

I do not agree with Sessions or the Trump administration on getting rid of Asylum opportunity for those that go through the process as domestic violence victims

It was already an uphill battle with limited numbers granted I believe taking that chance away was a mistake

We cannot support everyone as some say but we can improve our policies and enforce them in a more compassionate way that stays true to our values as well as offer victims as least a chance of living here legally as well as a path to citizenship for established people already living and working here as opposed to a seek and destroy method that I do not believe makes any financial or moral sense in a large amount of the cases

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 1 Jul 2018 06:07)
What he is saying is pretty far removed from what you were saying.


Nope. It's exactly the same.
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Quote (Jupe @ 1 Jul 2018 14:08)
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Quote (Scaly @ Jul 1 2018 09:36am)
Nope. It's exactly the same.


These posts are the same to you?

if anything good has come from this thread it's that you have finally finished your transformation into full shit posting memer

hopefully nobody makes the mistake of taking you serious in the future

Quote (thundercock @ Jun 30 2018 10:18pm)
Native Americans got fucked really hard by us and we continue to shit on them. Having said that, the answer isn't to give them more land.


Quote (Scaly @ Jun 30 2018 03:07pm)
If they did anything useful with what they already have I might agree.

Why give them more land to turn into slums full of drunks and junkies?


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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 30 2018 11:07pm)
That's not exactly an accurate portrayal of the state of civilization prior to European arrival.

They had society, large cities, institutions, etc. etc.

The big advantage Europeans had was that the American population was largely wiped out by pandemic (brought by the vikings) about a hundred odd years prior to the European arrival. If history had been slightly different (if the Americas had more than one or two domesticatable animals) Europe would have been wiped out by "Americapox" going the reverse direction.


They had institutions in the same way that many premodern societies had institutions. But it's a far cry between acknowledging that and equating it to what was going on in Europe at the time.

A confluence of factors led to the Renaissance and beyond. That history wasn't going to be repeated in North America without European involvement, certainly not in 200-300 years, but maybe ever.

As you pointed out, not having domesticated pack animals was a huge hindrance to development, beyond whatever immunity to disease it might have conferred.
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