In my head I thought san bernidino.

Think only Vegas, what a shitshow. I would argue that massacre could have been more lethal without the bump stock. Also, just as lethal with a different weapon.

ya i just look up SB and no mention of bump stocks of alterations for increased fire.

i dont think vegas would have been more without bump stocks. too hard too miss, at least when it first started. after the panic he'd have gotten more with a scoped 270 than anything else

I imagine even if bump stocks were banned the vegas shooter would have trivially made his own, or rigged his weapon or modified the receivers. The guy was determined enough to make his own gun mount platforms on the balconies and camera systems around the corridors, he was a workshop away from his own killdozer.

Nobody uses bump stocks in regular shootings and banning them wouldnt save a single life down the line

i bet that's what people said after the first time someone shot up a school: killing kids is such an outrageous thing to do, but there is no need to act because something like that will never happen again.
also, why risk it? people rightly point out the copy cat effect after shootings, and considering how much attention these bump stocks have gotten after vegas i'd say your prediction is more wishful thinking than a realistic evaluation...

the fact that no one really uses them, that their function easily copy-able in various ways, and that it will make no difference are the reason the GOP is showing its belly on this. i think many of the rabid left mistake this to mean they've gotten a legitimate big win. when i saw how readily the GOP news outlets jumped on the narrative that bumps stocks arent needed that was clear to me, but not CNN, apparently. Nor our friendly neighborhood heinrich who jumped on the "plz state purposes for bump stocks" strawman yesterday.



too true

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i bet that's what people said after the first time someone used water and a piece of cloth: interrogation is such an outrageous thing to do, but there is no need to act because 9/11 will never happen again.
also, why risk it? people rightly point out the copy cat effect after terrorism, and considering how much attention these washcloths have gotten after bush i'd say your prediction is more wishful thinking than a realistic evaluation...

I mean for the NRA its just following up on a well established restriction they already accepted, not allowing automatic weapons. Closing that loophole doesnt really rankle anyone.

What the DNC really risks is that media crusade getting usurped by Trump and letting him steal political victories that democrats are handing him. If he gets the credit for banning bump stocks and improving mental health screenings, then he gets the bipartisan applause while democrats are left screeching that its not enough and we need to repeal the second amendment

politically this seems like more democrat self destruction as their unruly radicals and self interested media allies push them into their own folly. But I think that might also be why we see a swing back to assault weapons ban legislation, so democrats can seize the high ground by pushing for complete bullshit but have the optics advantage because nost americans dont know the difference between a selective fire assault rifle and a scary looking semiautomatic with ergonomic and cosmetic features

for democrats to stabilize and capitalize they need to swing the narrative back to assault weapons. But Trump can still attack bump stocks, mental health reforms, background checks, the FBI and the sanctuary school policies.

the next lamb to be sacrificed will be large capacity magazines. and of course because "large" to a gun owner clips such as banana clips are already illegal we're talking "medium" capacity.

if these shooters have 2 hands there's not much difference between a 30 round clip and 3 tens. but i also dont see any more use for a 30 round clip than i do a bump stock.

i use mainly bolt action shotguns because im cool and i have a disdain for clips, generally. too prone to jam. the clips for shotguns are some of the worst products gun makes have ever made, supposed to hold 2-3 rounds never shoots well with more than 1. i just bite down on a shell when im rabbit hunting and load by hand if need be.

over/under for me