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Jun 11 2018 09:32am


Supreme Court upholds Ohio voter registration purge policy

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-purge/supreme-court-upholds-ohio-voter-registration-purge-policy-idUSKBN1J71QQ

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Under Ohio’s policy, if registered voters miss voting for two years, they are sent registration confirmation notices. If they do not respond and do not vote over the following four years, they are removed from the rolls.




I wonder if there will be... dueling on November 18th? :lol:
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Jun 11 2018 07:46pm
Most polls are showing a dwindling Democratic lead for the 2018 Congressional elections. It was up to a 12-13 point lead nation-wide a few months ago, but now it's down to about 6-8 points.

What do y'all make of this? Strong economy? Poor Democratic messaging? Trump fatigue? Bad polling? Statistical noise? All of the above?

I don't know what to make of it. But the "Blue Wave" that's being predicted by many in the 2018 midterms is certainly no sure thing. People actually have to come out and vote. That didn't happen in 2016, despite the high stakes.
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Jun 11 2018 07:50pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jun 11 2018 09:46pm)
Most polls are showing a dwindling Democratic lead for the 2018 Congressional elections. It was up to a 12-13 point lead nation-wide a few months ago, but now it's down to about 6-8 points.

What do y'all make of this? Strong economy? Poor Democratic messaging? Trump fatigue? Bad polling? Statistical noise? All of the above?

I don't know what to make of it. But the "Blue Wave" that's being predicted by many in the 2018 midterms is certainly no sure thing. People actually have to come out and vote. That didn't happen in 2016, despite the high stakes.




You got a link for those numbers?
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trump is that silver tongued devil at the party getting all the ho's and then an silver spoon fed pompous idiot (democrats) jumps on a table to try to outmatch him, and ends up saying the most idiotic thing ever and dead silence follows

thats why -points
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Jun 11 2018 07:52pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jun 11 2018 06:46pm)
Most polls are showing a dwindling Democratic lead for the 2018 Congressional elections. It was up to a 12-13 point lead nation-wide a few months ago, but now it's down to about 6-8 points.

What do y'all make of this? Strong economy? Poor Democratic messaging? Trump fatigue? Bad polling? Statistical noise? All of the above?

I don't know what to make of it. But the "Blue Wave" that's being predicted by many in the 2018 midterms is certainly no sure thing. People actually have to come out and vote. That didn't happen in 2016, despite the high stakes.


Left cannibalizing each other

Low bar for Trump that he sits comfortably above

Economy is well

perceived double standards and a beyond obnoxious left media that is far too political

people on the fence matter the most and the left have shit for a message and Trump has been taking advantage since the very beginning

Left is a mess, Democrats don't get it and they wasted too much time. If Trump gets any progress at all with NK it's a wrap, it's already a wrap anyway
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The reason that I think most explains these numbers, is what Beowulf surmised...

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Left is a mess, Democrats don't get it and they wasted too much time. If Trump gets any progress at all with NK it's a wrap, it's already a wrap anyway



I also think that even the most uninformed and/or uneducated is starting to realize that the left has been running a smear/obstruction campaign, since Trump took office.
They are defeating themselves.

This ofc has nothing to do with how the vote will go in November. There are still many cards to play. I think (gut reaction) Dems will gain some seats, but not enough.
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Jun 11 2018 10:07pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ 12 Jun 2018 02:46)
Most polls are showing a dwindling Democratic lead for the 2018 Congressional elections. It was up to a 12-13 point lead nation-wide a few months ago, but now it's down to about 6-8 points.

What do y'all make of this? Strong economy? Poor Democratic messaging? Trump fatigue? Bad polling? Statistical noise? All of the above?

I don't know what to make of it. But the "Blue Wave" that's being predicted by many in the 2018 midterms is certainly no sure thing. People actually have to come out and vote. That didn't happen in 2016, despite the high stakes.


poor democratic messaging? how about NO democratic messaging? what do they have to offer, i mean seriously? all they have is 'not trump', but what do they stand FOR?

they had an opportunity to be strong on daca, to be principled on healthcare, to really push on the gun issue, to make the blatant disregard for environmental protection a topic - those are all issues that are incredibly popular amongst americans across party lines. corporate democrats, however, are pushovers. they let trump dictate the narratives and when push comes to shove they rather give in and do what their donors want them to, rather than what their (potential) voters support.

that massive flaw in the whole system is also the reason why democrats are currently 'cannibalising each other' - more and more people, especially on the left, realise how toxic money in politics is (also a topic most americans generally agree on, even though the right forgot about that after trump just abandoned his swamp promise and went in the exact opposite direction).
a whole new movement was introduced into the democratic party, relying on private donations only, and trying to fight the establishment candidates. the system, however, is obviously set up to combat that - and since most people just don't follow politics that closely, campaign funds (to buy ads to increase name recognition and make empty promises, and to finance oppo research) beat things like integrity, track record, and actual support for popular policies.


of course the booming economy helps as well. the fact that it's
- merely continuing the trend established under obama
- 'financed' with a massive and unprecedented deficit and other extremely short term 'solutions'
- again 'supported' by an utter disregard for the environment and long term consequences that a different president will have to address
doesn't matter to most people who don't care too much about politics, let alone those who are already firm in the emperor's camp no matter what he does - because 'MURICA!' and 'DURKA DUR!'

so yeah, i'm also expecting rather underwhelming results for democrats in 2018 - but at the same time i don't think it's worth it to compromise and abandon principles for those who still have them, just to beat trump. if americans want politicians to represent their voters, and not the corporations paying their campaigns and then some, they have to act now, even if it 'hurts' their party - because investing into politicians to buy policies is just getting worse, and the current administration sure understands how to deflect from that and give its base plenty of other issues to focus on (like the drug smuggling, lazy, welfare abusing, rapey mexicans; evil terrorist muslims; nefarious trade partners who are taking advantage of poor america; deep state, rinos, fbi, fake news media and democrats attacking a poor innocent president who didn't do anything wrong...).
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Jun 12 2018 01:23pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ 12 Jun 2018 03:46)
Most polls are showing a dwindling Democratic lead for the 2018 Congressional elections. It was up to a 12-13 point lead nation-wide a few months ago, but now it's down to about 6-8 points.

What do y'all make of this? Strong economy? Poor Democratic messaging? Trump fatigue? Bad polling? Statistical noise? All of the above?

I don't know what to make of it. But the "Blue Wave" that's being predicted by many in the 2018 midterms is certainly no sure thing. People actually have to come out and vote. That didn't happen in 2016, despite the high stakes.


the thing is that the democrats face an incredibly tough map in the senate, and they would need to win the house popular vote by 6-9% to make the battle for control of the house a coinflip - which is due to gerrymandering and also due to a built-in, non-gerrymandered geographical advantage of the GOP.


why did the democrats' lead on the generic ballot shrink in recent months? well, trumps approval rating went up a bit, we've been through quite some weeks/months of a relatively calm news-cycle, trump has gotten rid of most of the staff and secretaries who are either blatantly incompetent (scaramucci, priebus) or just didnt click with him (mcmaster, tillerson). the public grew tired of the mueller investigation, and unless mueller presents the smoking gun or indicts kushner, it wont change voters opinion anymore. the economy is doing well, the gop got the tax cuts through congress and thus proved that they can deliver on policy, many americans have seen the benefits of the tax cuts on their own paychecks, trump got a breakthrough on foreign policy with his trump-kim-summit, and so on.

its all those little things that added up over time during recent months.

and, as others have already pointed out: the democrats havent really been hitting it out of the park either. they arent united behind a strong, charismatic leader, there is a lot of infighting going on among them, they cant agree on policy priorities, they are in a certain way still licking their wounds from the disaster of the 2016 election. outrage over trump is the only thing that's energizing them at the moment.

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Jun 17 2018 10:27pm


Well it looks like the Democrats are going to make the issue of separations at the border for immigrants/refugees.


Democrats, activists rally against Trump's family separation policy

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-children/democrats-activists-rally-against-trumps-family-separation-policy-idUSKBN1JD0YQ


Break out the crying towels.
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