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Sep 10 2017 01:54pm
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This was answered with a real numeric value within the last page...


Answered with a made-up value, but definitely answered.
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Answered with a made-up value, but definitely answered.


Im amazed how quickly you read the 10+ references that mentioned the statistic. Its almost as if you read the abstract and then talked out of your ass.
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Im amazed how quickly you read the 10+ references that mentioned the statistic. Its almost as if you read the abstract and then talked out of your ass.


You never made a citation, so I have nothing to read that references it.

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You never made a citation, so I have nothing to read that references it.


This is his big controversial paper. It got him expelled from Harvard

"Long-run convergence of ethnic skill differentials" is a good reference

http://delong.typepad.com/pdf-1.pdf

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My bad. This is his big controversial paper. It got him expelled from Harvard

"Long-run convergence of ethnic skill differentials" is a good reference

http://delong.typepad.com/pdf-1.pdf


Alrightey let's get started.

1. It's not a paper. It's a dissertation, which is a graduation requirement and does NOT go through peer review the way a paper does.

2. It didn't get him expelled. He states in interviews it "collected dust" until some journalist found it. You can see it was signed for acceptance by his committee.

3. He's a doctor of public policy, not psychology, which calls into question his expertise to discuss this subject matter. Not a debunking itself, but it needs to be treated with high scrutiny.

4. His signers are Christopher Jencks, who is a government professor at the university and doesn't have qualifications to review IQ, Richard Zeckhauser, an economist and doesn't have the qualifications to review the claims about IQ, and George Borjas, same as before.

None of these people are experts in any field of psychology. This is what I was talking about above when I say dissertations receive less scrutiny than published papers and can't be taken as strong claims until they're published in a journal.


Anyway, I'm not even in the meat of the paper yet and I've already identified several issues with claiming anything in here as fact.

Where is the claim of 85% genetic IQ?

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Sep 10 2017 06:28pm
Libertarian experiments:
USA
Hong Kong
Taiwan
Japan

Socialist experiments:
Stalin's famines in Russia under the 5-year plans
China's famines under Mao
Modern-day Cuba
Modern-day Venezuela

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Alrightey let's get started.

1. It's not a paper. It's a dissertation, which is a graduation requirement and does NOT go through peer review the way a paper does.

2. It didn't get him expelled. He states in interviews it "collected dust" until some journalist found it. You can see it was signed for acceptance by his committee.

3. He's a doctor of public policy, not psychology, which calls into question his expertise to discuss this subject matter. Not a debunking itself, but it needs to be treated with high scrutiny.

4. His signers are Christopher Jencks, who is a government professor at the university and doesn't have qualifications to review IQ, Richard Zeckhauser, an economist and doesn't have the qualifications to review the claims about IQ, and George Borjas, same as before.

None of these people are experts in any field of psychology. This is what I was talking about above when I say dissertations receive less scrutiny than published papers and can't be taken as strong claims until they're published in a journal.


Anyway, I'm not even in the meat of the paper yet and I've already identified several issues with claiming anything in here as fact.

Where is the claim of 85% genetic IQ?


Its in the references. The actual measurements of IQ among ethnic populations

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Libertarian experiments:
USA
Hong Kong
Taiwan
Japan

Socialist experiments:
Stalin's famines in Russia under the 5-year plans
China's famines under Mao
Modern-day Cuba
Modern-day Venezuela

Its in the references. The actual measurements of IQ among ethnic populations


I skimmed through, where specifically? Like what page?
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It can be a useful indicator, but it's still not a great indicator. We're talking about the social sciences here, where a p value of 0.6 is acceptable.

Honestly any university textbook will get you started and give you further resources.


with that in mind it can be measured more accurately than anything else in social sciences and if you dismiss it so easily all of social sciences should therefore be dismissed
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Sep 11 2017 05:09am
I'm glad we have Republicans to keep us in check.
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I'm glad we have Republicans to keep us in check.


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