Quote (thundercock @ Mar 20 2016 03:06pm)

Why don't we have the healthy people pay for the healthcare of the unhealthy people? Shouldn't they pay their fair share?

Quote (thundercock @ Mar 20 2016 04:06pm)

Why don't we have the healthy people pay for the healthcare of the unhealthy people? Shouldn't they pay their fair share?

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 02:18pm)

...in what way ?

Quote (Goomshill @ 20 Mar 2016 12:06)

You wanted to bring in the personal examples, so lets play ball.
My old man was overweight some years ago, and I jogged with him and ate healthier, cut out the chocolate for vegetables. Now he's fit like an ex-wrestler instead of a pot belly, and I lost a few pounds in all the running, jogging, snowshoeing and whatnot. Earlier this year he was diagnosed with two separate and unrelated cancers, and on chemotherapy he's expected to make a full cure as a model patient. Would that be the case if he had diabetes and a bum ticker instead of a six pack? That he changed his lifestyle earlier was fortuitous and is saving his life. And it was solely a product of mental conviction. He put in the hard work, biked home from his office and I visited to kayak right next to him.


Should I have told him ten years ago that being fat is just an alternative and legitimate lifestyle and trying to fight it with force of will would be like trying to cure the runs with will power?

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 02:09pm)

...no , I'm trying to educate you about the role authority figures in our developmental years have in our formation of healthy eating habits .

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Mar 20 2016 02:17pm)

You mean you gave him positive motivation and made it easier for him to make healthier choices rather than heaping shame on him? Huh, weird how that worked.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 04:17pm)

And I'm sending you to remedial to learn that the carrot is nothing without the stick.
Shame is a constructive force to provide impetus to change just as much as positive reinforcement. Take away the social pressure and people have no reason to change, and are unhealthier for it.
This is an age old lesson and basic human psychology. It is only bleeding hearts that decry trampling on our poor feelings when we are reminded of our solvable flaws.
Adrian Peterson had the right idea when it comes to raising a child not to be a spoiled brat. In our formative years, we remember discipline. The only tragedy is the crucifixion of the responsible parents.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 03:09pm)

...no , I'm trying to educate you about the role authority figures in our developmental years have in our formation of healthy eating habits .

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 02:21pm)

...you seem to have these two confused but you just condoned whipping a child with stick until he bleeds so now I'm just going to accept you are trolling .

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 04:29pm)

Fifty years ago if you threw another kid off a toy, said you get to play because daddy is famous, and daddy pulled out a switch and gave you a lesson in humility, nobody would bat an eye and call it anything other than responsible parenting.
Its a sign of our PC culture that as little as spanking can now be labeled child abuse when the only lasting 'harm' is character building.

From safe spaces to fat acceptance to narcissistic millennials, the constant is a PC culture attempting to tear down discipline. When rightful scorn heaped on you for your unhealthy laziness is treated as malevolent bigotry, we have broken the stick and overdosed on the carrot.