Gooble gobble.

Gooble gobble.

liberals wont go for this.... the illegals wont be able to vote dem if they need a valid ID.

You totally ignored my statement:

"The reason the economy is tanking is because people are scared to spend money, due to the current people in office. Look at the dollar velocity index!"




http://aheadoftheherd.com/Newsletter/2012/Money-Slow-Down.htm (Graph is from 2012)

Investors realize this is a problem and have been hedging against it.

It is lower now than it has ever been in 50 years. Some people say this means we are currently in a depression.

/edit Here is a better chart from 2014 of MZM money:



Look what happened in 2008

This post was edited by PixileDust on Oct 17 2014 12:27am

In the states I've lived in and worked in to work All i've ever needed has been has been my SS# except for when I worked on base at the nearby army base to work I did need my driver's license to get past the gates there.But when we moved out of state we needed state certified birth certificates or notarized copies of them with a bill with my new address and name on it (snail mail). after 4 inner state moves and having 6 kids then a 400 mile move out of state, I had no idea where my original BC. was or if I had ever had it. by that time my parents had both passed so I couldn't even ask them. It was a pain in the ass to get a new copy and then get copies made, It was worth it because I needed to drive. But if you look at the same hassle and expense to get someone to vote in a election which is still decided in a antiquated non-democratic way it will just push
potential voters away, which is what the champions of the voter ID cause want.

This post was edited by Valhalls_Sun on Oct 17 2014 02:45am

Simple criteria: Can the current system be exploited? The answer is undoubtedly yes.

You know, the Heartbleed bug wasn't exploited en masse either. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have been fixed.

lol every1 is so into this right vs left that they can't even see strait

If we don't argue politics it puts undue pressure on religion, it's a ying/yang thing

In Texas you can vote with a gun permit but not a student ID.

No agenda there.

/s

That isn't a fix, unless one means fixed like a sports game.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 19 2014 09:58am

Anyone can get a student ID, but only legal residents can get a CC permit. Derp.

But the reality is that the system isn't being exploited in the manner that people who support the more suppression-esque ID laws are alleging. That's simply a fact. It can't rationally be denied at this point. Everyone outside the bubble is willing to concede this because millions of dollars have been spent at the local, state, and federal levels on investigating elections only to find that this is nowhere even remotely close to a systemic, regularly-occuring problem. You fix the system and improve its efficiency and integrity by pursuing reforms that go in literally the exact opposite direction that this does. Voter impersonation simply isn't happening in this country at a noticeable level so instituting voter ID isn't the way to solve the potential problem. These laws and the way they're being implemented clearly create more problems than they solve, and that's largely because the problem they were allegedly created to solve doesn't actually exist.

All of this of course ignores the fact that they're being implemented in an unethical way in most states, as noted in Skinned's post where states allow certain IDs used predominantly by certain demographics while not allowing other IDs used predominantly by other demographics. It's beyond clear why these laws are being pushed: a major political party that has existed in this country for 150 years could soon be on its death bed, and rather than adapting in an equitable and respectable manner the way the parties have adapted before they are just using every desperate ploy that's stashed away deep in their playbook to avoid having to account for population growth and demographic change.