"Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God."

" Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

"For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work."

You may not know God's words but they know you. Seek him.

"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

maybe the more important question would be how much time would it take, or since there would be no one there to see it would it take any time?

... this presents an interesting area of discussion that is rarely broached here ( or anywhere for that matter ) - what is the Kingdom ? I know far more Scripture than anyone on this forum so I'd like ti hear an answer from you in your own words and not incorrectly applied citations .

maybe the more important question would be how much time would it take, or since there would be no one there to see it would it take any time?



Someone asked me a few pages back If I even knew what love was. I think there are several types of love The love I have for my children is unconditional I'd lay my life down for any of them, I will love them no matter what they do with their lives, I won't always be happy with some decisions, or some mistakes they make, and have made but my love will remain unwavering and as real as they are.

My love for my wife began as infatuation as most does but that has slowly grown into a partnership where we've become close to knowing what the other is thinking, and feeling, empathy and unconditional I guess is how I
would describe my love for her. Yes I would lay my life down for her as well, but there are things she could do to make me stop loving her. unlike my kids.

As far as my love for my fellow man, I believe that we are so lucky to have evolved into this species that has just a small speck of time to enjoy life here on mother earth. That it's a crime to cause somebody pain or strife, or to cause someones time here to shorten. I feel a responsibility to leave the earth as healthy or healthier for the coming generations as it has been for us. I can't help but love my fellow man's diversity, his thirst for knowledge, the arts, medicines and science. How can you not love your fellow man when you think that in a blink of the eye (speaking in the lifespan of our earth) what we as a race have accomplished from the first time our ancestors held a stick in their hands.

This comes across as pretty pridefull.


Also, what's your opinion on original sin? I'm not sure to which denomination you belong.

He completely dodged that question before.

...it's simply a statement of fact . I am certainly pleased that I am familiar with Scripture but I don't consider it false pride . I'm trying to get the guy to actually discuss something instead of boring me with citation collages that in actuality say nothing . My impression from what he posts is that he probably doesn't understand Scripture on anything but the most superficial level .

I am a Protestant and the doctrine of original sin belongs to the Catholics .

I was under the impression that the kingdom of god means the world after armageddon. Including heaven, hell and all inbetween.

This post was edited by Scaly on Oct 13 2014 06:54am

Yes it does.



It is the role of the father to lay down his life for his wife and kids. That may not always be a literal thing either. If it is the kids fault that something bad happened and the kid should get punished for it, the father can take the bullet and take the blame instead. Better the father than the kid.

Ofcourse there is a whole lot more to it than just that which I have no experience with myself. Sometimes I get anxious as to why it has taken so long with me.