Quote (Santara @ Nov 19 2013 08:04am)

You only need permission to drive on the roads built by the public. You can drive on your own property all day and every day. You only need a Social Security number to enter into a working relationship with a government created entity (business). You can work for yourself all day and every day. The rules are for interactions with society. If you do not interact with society, you need not concern yourself with their rules. A quick Google search of the first state I found shows that you do not need a license to fish or hunt on your homestead (FL). You only need concern yourself with a marriage license if you are concerned about interacting with the laws of the land regarding said marriage (i.e. for tax purposes, next of kin determinations, divorce, etc). Nothing is stopping you from living as a married couple without it. Just don't expect many people who offer their services performing marriages to the public to perform your ceremony. You have to understand DataJunky that most everything you bitch about in the OP is false unless you wish to interact with society. If you find these rules for society are truly too onerous, there is nothing preventing you from doing as you wish, so long as you are doing it on your own. Have fun subsistence farming, but I think it's more efficient and advantageous to interact with society and to simply seek to limit what my be imposed on you.

Quote (datajunky @ Nov 21 2013 10:36am)

Nobody "needs" permission to drive on any public road. Everyone has an inherent right to travel FREELY. The only time someone needs permission is when they are a child and when you BEG for a drivers license the state treats you as a child. This thing you call a government created entity namely a "business" is curious. Can someone have a business that is not created by government? You seem to want to direct this conversation into me leaving society to find some freedom, and I wouldn't disagree entirely, but there is a much better way. That is for you and everyone else to stop being state owned slaves, treating each other like children begging for permission for things you already are entitled to.

Quote (datajunky @ Nov 21 2013 11:36am)

Nobody "needs" permission to drive on any public road. Everyone has an inherent right to travel FREELY. The only time someone needs permission is when they are a child and when you BEG for a drivers license the state treats you as a child. This thing you call a government created entity namely a "business" is curious. Can someone have a business that is not created by government? You seem to want to direct this conversation into me leaving society to find some freedom, and I wouldn't disagree entirely, but there is a much better way. That is for you and everyone else to stop being state owned slaves, treating each other like children begging for permission for things you already are entitled to.

Quote (datajunky @ Nov 21 2013 09:36am)

Nobody "needs" permission to drive on any public road. Everyone has an inherent right to travel FREELY. The only time someone needs permission is when they are a child and when you BEG for a drivers license the state treats you as a child. This thing you call a government created entity namely a "business" is curious. Can someone have a business that is not created by government? You seem to want to direct this conversation into me leaving society to find some freedom, and I wouldn't disagree entirely, but there is a much better way. That is for you and everyone else to stop being state owned slaves, treating each other like children begging for permission for things you already are entitled to.

Quote (Uncertain @ Nov 21 2013 05:49pm)

By using the roads provided by the government you are agreeing to be a part of that system. It is a silent agreement, if you don't want to be a part of the system then don't be. I will not stop you, but to say that you have a god given right to drive on that road is amusing, the roads are property owned by an entity. I'm feel it safe to assume then since you do not believe in ownership that it would be ok for me to walk into your home eat your food and start breaking things.

Quote (Santara @ Nov 21 2013 12:20pm)

Nobody needs permission to walk on public roads. You certainly need permission to operate a dangerous piece of machinery on public roads. It's society making sure you're capable of doing so without endangering others.

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 21 2013 05:15pm)

You are not entitled to anything that government has not given you or vowed to protect.

Quote (datajunky @ Nov 22 2013 09:26am)

You don't know how governments work. Clearly you need to refresh your knowledge. The government doesn't provide anything without us first giving them permission to provide it. Not everyone consents to be governed like a child.



I do not need permission to travel in my own personal conveyance. Not from you or any governing body. Anyone who tries to stop me is assaulting my god given right to travel.



You make a good slave.

Quote (Skinned @ Nov 22 2013 09:16am)

God given right to drive cars?  That's new.