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May 18 2013 11:02pm
Quote (taekvideo @ May 18 2013 10:31pm)
Kids require money, yes.  They also require a prenatal environment to grow in.
Taking away a man's right over his body to provide the former is no different than taking away a woman's right over her body to provide the latter.


I'm not sure what you mean. You seem to be equivocating your property with yourself.

Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 18 2013 10:22pm)
Yet the male does not get a choice in paying child support (you know with money he used his body to earn).


He does, he could have chose to pull out or use a condom or to have not had sex.

Plenty of choice there.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 18 2013 11:03pm
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May 18 2013 11:14pm
Quote (LordTrogdor @ May 19 2013 03:02pm)
....... that was the whole point of that..... that those two cases are not linked, if you read my original post that is EXACTLY what I said... is that you cannot compare a person in a vegetative state to a fetus..... the only way to truly compare it makes the situations so ridiculous it's pointless... maybe read and understand a post before you try and make a comment like that?



it was BOTH their choices.... you chose to have sex, you BOTH have to accept the consequences of that....

however the male does NOT have the choice to tell the girl what she can do with her body and what's inside of it.... if she keeps it however it is then THEIR child... the husband is not required to pay for medical bills, because until birth it is the womans fetus, at birth it becomes BOTH of theirs child.


No, your comparison was the problem.
Pulling the cable on a guy in a vegetable state on purpose would have been a good comparison, you just made a fool of yourself.

Quote (Skinned @ May 19 2013 03:02pm)
He does, he could have chose to pull out or use a condom or to have not had sex.

Plenty of choice there.


Then apply that same logic to woman and stop being a hypocrite.
And what about if he DID use a condom?
They break.

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May 18 2013 11:20pm
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No, your comparison was the problem.
Pulling the cable on a guy in a vegetable state on purpose would have been a good comparison, you just made a fool of yourself.



Then apply that same logic to woman and stop being a hypocrite.
And what about if he DID use a condom?
They break.


How so? that person in a vegetative state is not dependent on another person... it's dependent on machines.... giving an abortion pill is similar to killing a non-viable organism.... a person in a vegetative state is viable in that it is not requiring another organism to live... I was pointing that out... i suppose if you think a person in a vegetative state and fetus are the same then I can see why you're confused..... I however don't think they are the same...

Even if he used a condom those are not 100% affective.. if you are having sex you are accepting the possible consequences... no matter what.... the woman is responsible for what is insider her own body and has all decisions centered around that... and I cannot think of any other way to do it, but once it is a child then it is for BOTH parents to decide on and support...

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May 18 2013 11:46pm
Quote (LordTrogdor @ May 19 2013 03:20pm)
How so? that person in a vegetative state is not dependent on another person... it's dependent on machines.... giving an abortion pill is similar to killing a non-viable organism.... a person in a vegetative state is viable in that it is not requiring another organism to live... I was pointing that out... i suppose if you think a person in a vegetative state and fetus are the same then I can see why you're confused..... I however don't think they are the same...

Even if he used a condom those are not 100% affective.. if you are having sex you are accepting the possible consequences... no matter what.... the woman is responsible for what is insider her own body and has all decisions centered around that... and I cannot think of any other way to do it, but once it is a child then it is for BOTH parents to decide on and support...


I can not debate some one as unintelligent as you, you do not even realize why your comparison was terrible after i pointed it out to you.
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May 19 2013 12:36am
Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 19 2013 05:46am)
I can not debate some one as unintelligent as you, you do not even realize why your comparison was terrible after i pointed it out to you.


are you this dense....? I know it was a terrible comparison... that was the entire point was to have it BE a terrible comparison....

I love how you constantly insult my intelligence when you can't even read when I have spelled it out for you that I intended to do an awful comparison...
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May 19 2013 01:11am
Quote (LordTrogdor @ May 19 2013 04:36pm)
are you this dense....? I know it was a terrible comparison... that was the entire point was to have it BE a terrible comparison....

I love how you constantly insult my intelligence when you can't even read when I have spelled it out for you that I intended to do an awful comparison...


You make zero sense.
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May 19 2013 01:35am
Quote (Skinned @ May 18 2013 11:02pm)
I'm not sure what you mean.  You seem to be equivocating your property with yourself.


Money is labor.
If you're ordered to pay $400/month in child support, you're being forced to perform $400/month worth of labor for someone else (for no pay).
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May 19 2013 01:37am
Quote (taekvideo @ May 19 2013 01:35am)
Money is labor.
If you're ordered to pay $400/month in child support, you're being forced to perform $400/month worth of labor for someone else (for no pay).


That isn't true, the mother gets your money and decides how to spend it. What kind of shoes to get and how much she can blow on drinks at the club while she hunts for a second inco.. I mean a another man.
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May 19 2013 02:25am
Quote (killgoreisleet @ May 19 2013 05:37pm)
That isn't true, the mother gets your money and decides how to spend it. What kind of shoes to get and how much she can blow on drinks at the club while she hunts for a second inco.. I mean a another man.


My partners step sister shae's mother is recieving child support for 3 children from 3 fathers (her father is one of my best friends), all of whom want custody and do not get it, she is a school teacher on $70,000 a year and is receiving 30% of 3 mens wages..
I despise the child support system.
Shae is fantastic though, like another sister to me.

This post was edited by Lifebane99 on May 19 2013 02:26am
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May 19 2013 02:34am
Eh? He could be charged with assault maybe but nothing else.
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