Even though it is currently outside of our realm of testing let's set up this experiment.

Create 2 minds with the exact same input using the same structure as our current brain. Put each mind in the same situation (or as close to a similar situation as we can get) and see what decisions they make. If both minds never make the same decision then determinism is shown to be wrong.

Even though it is currently outside of our ability I could very easily see a future with artificial human brains to test this theory. It's like I said earlier, we simply don't have enough information to make a conclusion about this topic.



In truth it is free will that isn't falsifiable. In this experiment even if the 2 ALWAYS made the same decision you could always argue that the mind made an active choice in each instance. We have nothing to disprove free will, but we could very easily destroy determinism by setting up a perceived identical circumstance. (Remember, since we're working with the mind we don't need exact similar circumstances to perform the experiment, only perceived identical circumstances. The perception of the situation is more important than the actual situation itself)

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 7 2013 02:45am

I don't see how it could be possible even in theory. We couldn't know how to verify that the two perceptions are identical. We could never know we have accounted for all aspects of perception, particularly when we begin to look at the particular status of the particles in the brain assuming we were able to figure out how they affect perception precisely because at some point we're theoretically incapable of observing this precisely, i.e. in the quantum realm (if our instruments were good enough to observe specifically enough at larger realms than this).

This post was edited by N1ccolo on May 7 2013 05:21am

If determinism comes from god as some state then both would act as god wills.

I'm not sure how free will can be falsifiable either, now that I think about it. Determinism is not unlike solipsism as someone mentioned though. If determinism is true, what does the question matter? What does anything matter? I hate to make a decision for free will on this basis, but, hey, if it's wrong, I'm not really even capable of making any decisions anyhow, huh?

This post was edited by N1ccolo on May 7 2013 05:30am

Okay define what you are saying.



But I do know how they present themselves in reality. We have a genetic code we are born with, we are influenced by our parents, experiences, and teaching, and we make our decisions. Some decisions are arbitrary, some aren't. The other worldview states that choice is an illusion where we are set to make ONLY one set of choices.

Can I ask if you believe people of other religions go to hell? Or that worship other gods?

The only person who knows that is the all-knowing judge. I am not he. Even if I know of his criteria for judgment, he can still be merciful.

It's often criticized of Christianity that we condemn all religions to hell, but that isn't the case. We only stress the guarantee of eternal salvation through Jesus. We don't stress guarantee of eternal damnation if you don't. God is a very merciful and just being. I could foresee a merciful and loving God accept other people of faith if He deems righteous. Just according to Christianity, that area of discernment is not a guarantee.

Okay, I understand. Because one thing I think a lot of Christians don't understand or realize is that there are other faiths (Islam comes to mind) in which people are born into and believe in just as vehemently if not more as they do in their religion.

This post was edited by ChurchGirl69 on May 7 2013 09:44am

...yet there is no salvation through Islam no matter their level of vehemence .

That's what you think, and they think the exact opposite.