Because they are based upon lies. They are brainwashing you with blatantly incorrect information. Taking small pieces of truth, mixing it in with loads of twisted lies, it makes for a good comedy, but little more. Do your own research, it's not exactly a secret that those videos are almost entirely nonsense.

Bags of rice? Crates of food? Not the individual item if small and consumable.
and communism is held back by the elites >.< they claim to be class-free but that is wrong. there are more or less 2 classes in communism which are widely seperated, among other things as being held back from freedom.

and what info is incorrect? I'm not talking about the false flag claims or the religious claims (because those cause too much rage/not relevant)

thats leninism and stalinism
not communism

How do you track labor? We spend millions of dollars on this every year in the form of consultants doing performance evaluations, and still it's a huge problem (look at the unions, or any state run program -- dunno about you, but I generally don't see the workers at the DMV and other places in a huge hustle to get things done quickly). You didn't answer my question on how you will force farmers to give up their entire fields of food for the betterment of society. Force them with an army? Confiscate their land? Again, this is communism and collectivism. People will die fighting to prevent such a thing from occurring here in America (have you ever been to Texas by chance?)

Again, go check out some of the sites that have already spent a lot of time debunking them. You expect us to sift through Z nonsense (which most of us have had the misfortune of doing), the least you can do is the same to read more about what it is you think you believe in.

edit: Also, who decides vacation time? How much does each person get, how often? Who decides working schedules (maybe I don't want to be forced onto the night shift, and working weekends). Who decides when I can retire? One has to give up everything in order to have this system.

Idk much about communism tbh, and I'm not too interested.
Plus, what is incorrect about this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

Much like the Venus Project, Zeitgeist identifies a problem, proposes an explanation that is based on a few basic facts, a lot of wild conjecture, and very little real evidence (they certainly throw numbers around, but those numbers don't really mean anything). The reason people don't take these movements seriously is that the people making the claims have no idea what they are talking about.

If someone wants to convince me of a point like the one Zeitgeist makes, I expect good statistics and sound logic. My definition of good statistics means that you account for the problems in your data and are open with the limitations of your conclusions--like any good statistician would do. As far as I can tell no one working on Zeitgeist has any training in advanced statistics, but they still try to draw inferences from data. The issue here is that economic data is notoriously difficult to make inferences from--there is substantial evidence that the first moment of the GDP process does not exist and that it has a unit root (suffice it to say that these are very big problems), the inflation process has endogeneity problems that make it impossible to regress on using standard OLS-based techniques (i.e. most of statistics). The nonparametric tools one needs to be able to actually draw inferences from economic data are incredibly subtle and often not robust to assumption failure (i.e. the moment existence problem). Those issues are the same reason I doubt the arguments of most economists: it's very hard to account for them in applications and if you don't then any conclusions you draw are highly suspect.

I am open to the idea that the monetary system is flawed, but if you want to convince me that we need to throw out the baby with the bathwater, you had better have some incredibly compelling evidence, along with a reasonable model of what will happen after we do it. To convince me that you are correct, I am going to expect good, careful statistics. They don't have them so I ignore them.

This post was edited by darkfire on Apr 27 2011 01:32pm

It's hard to provide solid statistics on a dream. and if they actually had money (once again), they could afford a solid team of supporters. The reason the idea is not properly based is because of the very few people behind it with little money, it's amazing how far a flawed system can get with money.
Also, a lot of this society would be based upon technology and back by science, instead of politics and money.

I can assure you that that's not how research works. You don't need money to convince an academic to look into a problem, you need an interesting problem. Every single claim made by Zeitgeist has been investigated by serious statisticians and virtually none of them come up with anything more than a resounding "wrong".

Ok, then how would -you- solve the problem put forward?
While keeping proper wealth distribution?
In a way that our government could transition?
With oil running low too, how do you suppose to fix that?
All I see is you guys arguing about the idea I put forward, with no contribution to the problems.

I don't have a solution right now and honestly my research interests aren't in that field (i.e. I think it's boring). There are smart people working on it now who find it much less boring than I do and I leave it to them to fix it.