How do you think the Chinese make all the panels and parts for the wind generators? Oh, that's right. Coal power plants. See any of the oil spills from the wind generators? Sincerely, absolute disaster.

Coal, Natural Gas, Hydro, and Nuclear power are the only reliable sources of power. And all 4 have been under attack for decades. Coal is "dirty", even though the stack scrubbers capture the released carbon so it does NOT go into the atmosphere. Natural Gas is bad because... Reasons? Still unclear there. Hydro kills the fishes. And Nuclear will cause the end of the world, or some shit.

In spite of what you may think, I'm all for alternative power sources. However, we must continue using coal, gas, and nuclear until the point where replacements are viable and won't land us all in a powerless situation. You know the first people to die if the power goes out for longer than 3 days? Every diabetic.

Further, since this is all in response to your anti-coal mining stance... Are you familiar with how steel is made? Raw steel is not mined, in spite of what that complete idiot Ben Shapiro claims. There's no such thing as a "steel mine". Without coal, no steel. You understand that, right?

The future of energy is a healthy blend of all these things. You put hydro near rivers and large bodies of water to harness that. You put solar panels in places that get a shit ton of sunlight. You put nuclear in low earthquake risk areas. You fill in the gaps with natty gas, coal and other hydrocarbons. This is the true way of progress. Not retard we will get rid of all nuclear and hydrocarbons and replace with stuff that has poor baseload power reliability.

It's the same concept of diversification within financial assets. We're not God, so we can never predict what will work 100% of the time. So you mitigate risk of energy shortages, blackouts, etc, by having a basket of different things that work at one time or another. Currently i think around 80% of global energy is derived from hydro carbons. The goal should be better diversification aka, let's strive for the hydrocarbons to only represent 50-60% while the rest is a mix of renewables/nuclear whatever, and then when we get there, maybe we move the needle a little lower. That way, we're not committing economic seppuku like Germany did, instead you find a middle of the ground sensible path.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Dec 24 2024 10:25am

Well stated.

I think like Bobb gets at, its just an issue of scale and construction/maintenance that really makes solar/wind dubious compared to nuclear/hydro for renewables and coal/gas for reliability. Even if you're using them to plug the gaps and diversify. Hydro and nuclear power can have very long lifetime output with relatively low maintenance and both those are tried and tested as actual effectiveness, whereas solar panels have more like 10 year life compared in practice compared to theoretical 25-30 and the scale of them to meet energy needs is so abysmally carbon/manpower intensive. Wind is far better scaling, but doesn't have the potential to optimize for lower carbon footprint like nuclear does where operational emissions can be brought down since, since wind still has drastically higher necessary upstream costs and footprint.
If we actually had an acute energy crisis in this country and blackouts everywhere and the whole population motivated to action like the shipbuilding program of WW2, we'd be making nuclear power plants everywhere. But right now we're more likely to face the same economic seppuku track of germany and ""diversify"" by killing off domestic energy production without replacing it. There's extreme liberal opposition to virtually every proposal for nuclear, coal, hydro, mining, milling, etc in every blue state and even some red states. We won't even be able to mine the metals we need for electric car batteries because we'd rather smother companies in purposefully burdensome regulations until they are fully choked out.

The real problem with nuclear is the massive cost blow outs, the last reactor america tried to build blew out so much that it got shit canned, australian construction costs make yours like tiny in comparison so when our opposition party talks about building it we know they have no intention to actually do so.

Nobody deserves power from a nuclear plant or solar panel unless they manufactured it personally, it's borrowed power.

Which is why they have to pay monthly for it. Look at you saying words and stuff.

look at my point flying right over your little head

No wonder he didn't vote for Trump he lives in Chicago, there's no virtue to espouse there for not wasting your time.
Also hows this going to bolster his highly defensible assault case?
Do you think this case will solidify the PVP zone rule?