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Dec 3 2024 11:28am
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Dec 3 2024 11:31am
Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 3 2024 09:33am)
Hunter Biden laundered millions of dollars selling influence and connection to his father, the sitting Vice-President. He documented all of this in explicit detail. By precedent the administration itself helped set he should already be in jail for FARA violations. Scamming a few Trump supporters is chump change. Hunter Biden didn't "make mistakes" on his taxes, he ran afoul of every bank AML red line known to man and refused to pay taxes on millions of undeclared income while writing off drug and prostitution expense as business. Al Capone didn't get nailed for being a drug lord, he got sent to a slow Alcatraz fueled death for refusing to pay taxes. Your average criminal who gets picked up for a drug bust (he has priors!) gets the gun possession tagged on top 100% of the time.

I'm not outraged. I expected this to happen and it happened. The President has the virtually absolute power to pardon whoever the hell he wants. But that's my moral code, not Joe's. Joe Biden staked his on not pardoning his son. He said explicitly that it would violate rule of law, and that the Democrats were the "rule of law" party, and then almost immediately exposed it as a cheap electoral ploy with the voters as his fools. Unfortunately for him, you can only pull this sort of stunt so many times before people wake up and realize it's all bullshit.


I'm not aware of what crimes Hunter Biden did because on this issue, I'm a normal American who is uninformed. I can't take your word as valid because you're a member of the Trump cult.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter. Trump pardoned a bunch of losers and Biden pardoned his son. You don't care about Trump's pardons and you pretend to care about Biden's. I don't pretend.
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Dec 3 2024 11:32am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 3 2024 11:18am)
Voters absolutely care about Biden refusing Congressionally allotted and Presidentially approved monies to Ukraine unless the Prosecutor who was investigating his son was fired. Voters are also absolutely horrified that the US Taxpayer has been paying the salaries of the entire Ukrainian government for the last 2 years, along with all the military aid being sent for a war that doesn't concern us.

Your assumptions are silly, and you do not speak for the American voter. Clearly. You supported Kamala. You lost. Sit down, child.


Supporting Ukraine is actually popular politically... you're the weirdo who doesn't support it.
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Dec 3 2024 11:41am
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 3 2024 12:32pm)
Supporting Ukraine is actually popular politically... you're the weirdo who doesn't support it.


Because politicians are beholden to special interests, of which the military industrial complex is one of the largest ones. In reality most Americans do not support the Ukraine war, and that's one of the reasons why Trump won so convincingly.
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Dec 3 2024 11:42am
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Because politicians are beholden to special interests, of which the military industrial complex is one of the largest ones. In reality most Americans do not support the Ukraine war, and that's one of the reasons why Trump won so convincingly.


That's absurd of course. Americans don't know and don't care about the war in Ukraine.
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Dec 3 2024 11:44am
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That's absurd of course. Americans don't know and don't care about the war in Ukraine.


Many do, and majority do not want to keep sending hundreds of billions with nothing to show for it.
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Dec 3 2024 11:53am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 3 2024 01:44pm)
Many do, and majority do not want to keep sending hundreds of billions with nothing to show for it.


Keeping Ukraine as a state is obviously worth doing. Allowing Putin to take over a country has so many ramifications beyond this region. The international order is threatened if great powers can annex smaller countries around them. We can look at China and Taiwan, or any other situation where a great power is ready to take territory from a smaller country.

Also, I have to be honest... the fact that you pretend to know people in Ukraine and are basically a propagandist for Putin is disgraceful.
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Dec 3 2024 11:58am
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 3 2024 11:31am)
I'm not aware of what crimes Hunter Biden did because on this issue, I'm a normal American who is uninformed. I can't take your word as valid because you're a member of the Trump cult.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter. Trump pardoned a bunch of losers and Biden pardoned his son. You don't care about Trump's pardons and you pretend to care about Biden's. I don't pretend.


You're a "normal" American who perfectly parrots MSNBC talking points, or rather, hilariously delusional. Trump bad, Trump criminal, Trump Hitler. Thankfully this election was a unequivocal rejection of that rhetoric. I'm sure that's a rather tough pill to swallow, but you of all people should feel right at home, being wrong.
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Dec 3 2024 12:03pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 3 2024 12:53pm)
Keeping Ukraine as a state is obviously worth doing. Allowing Putin to take over a country has so many ramifications beyond this region. The international order is threatened if great powers can annex smaller countries around them. We can look at China and Taiwan, or any other situation where a great power is ready to take territory from a smaller country.

Also, I have to be honest... the fact that you pretend to know people in Ukraine and are basically a propagandist for Putin is disgraceful.


The framing is incorrect. Ukraine will remain and would have remained a state without us sending 200 billion, or initially destabilizing them in 2014.

Your opinion means very little because your political compass is completely broken and has become a meme. It's like you never grew up and have a high schoolers understanding on subjects that require just a bit of critical thinking. I'm still baffled how you were duped into believing Russia gate or doubled down on media legitimacy. You wake up today with people like Rogan and Twitter being the news, while CNN and MSNBC is imploding because no one is watching that garbage, and you still can't figure out how they've stunted you?
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Dec 3 2024 12:11pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 3 2024 11:31am)
I'm not aware of what crimes Hunter Biden did because on this issue, I'm a normal American who is uninformed. I can't take your word as valid because you're a member of the Trump cult.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter. Trump pardoned a bunch of losers and Biden pardoned his son. You don't care about Trump's pardons and you pretend to care about Biden's. I don't pretend.


this comparison is the reason it falls apart.

Trump did indeed pardon people, and in a very specific scope. the time and crime they were convicted for. some like rodger stone he did, similar to Hunter, because the prosecution seemed to be selected due to his connected to Trump. much like Hunter was taken down because he has the last name Biden in this case. then there's pardoning Kushner's dad, which was just a dumb move and pure nepotism, but still specified in scope and time frame.

what Biden did was pardon his son (ok so far), and say it was because he was targeted for being his son (still ok so far if we're comparing to trump ala Kushner), then he said "any crimes convicted or not convicted over a 10 year span". this isn't at all what trump did, even if they shared some of the same motivations. right not left wing talking heads are parroting the "it was bad but its a father's love". that's a smokescreen. the pardon isn't hte issue, a BLANKET pardon is a HUGE issue. we could find out hunter is literally guilty of high treason (and i dont think he his) and he's be immune.

at the end of the day its a sentence commute more or less of a gun charge and tax evasion, that's no big deal. but the scope of it is like launching a nuke to kill a fly.
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