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Oct 16 2024 08:34pm
Quote (Shadowoffury @ Oct 16 2024 09:33pm)
We have stopped making babies. We are below the rate of replacement. So you think we should open the border?


Not quite yet, maybe in 12 years, on a meritorious base system
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Oct 16 2024 08:41pm
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Not quite yet, maybe in 12 years, on a meritorious base system


First generation immigrants are not, generally speaking, skilled laborers. It took several generations to turn every influx of immigrants into America to productive members of society(see the history of Italian, Irish, and Jewish immigrants for evidence). If you wait until you need them, it's too late.

The statue of liberty says

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

America has a long proven track record of turning this refuse into gold.
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Oct 16 2024 08:44pm
Quote (Shadowoffury @ Oct 16 2024 09:41pm)
First generation immigrants are not, generally speaking, skilled laborers. It took several generations to turn every influx of immigrants into America to productive members of society(see the history of Italian, Irish, and Jewish immigrants for evidence). If you wait until you need them, it's too late.

The statue of liberty says

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

America has a long proven track record of turning this refuse into gold.


The statue of liberty was gifted to us, by France. We are not obligated to honor the words another country has spoken to about us.

E/ [or attributed to us]

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The statue of liberty was gifted to us, by France. We are not obligated to honor the words another country has spoken to about us.

E/ [or attributed to us]


Emma Lazarus was American, as was the group that chose her words as representative.
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Emma Lazarus was American, as was the group that chose her words as representative.


Again this doesn't change anything. We are not bound by words attributed to us by citizens, unsanctioned by the governing bodies.
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Oct 16 2024 08:49pm
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Again this doesn't change anything. We are not bound by words attributed to us by citizens, unsanctioned by the governing bodies.


Again, America has a long proven track record of doing what those words say. That is exactly what has made America into the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Again, America has a long proven track record of doing exactly those words say. That is exactly what has made America into the greatest country in the history of the world.


Immigration in the 1950s was desperate for cheap slave labor, these workers where not skilled. For generations they remained unskilled in slums. I would condescend to agree to having an aptitude battery for the unskilled to test intelligence.
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Oct 16 2024 08:52pm
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Ask yourself if you think murder of a non sentient being is worse than the enslavement and torture of a sentient being.
Unless you are a vegan you make the same choice every single day.


They are the prey, we are the predator and its for sustenance. It isn't really comparable
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Oct 16 2024 08:58pm
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Immigration in the 1950s was desperate for cheap slave labor, these workers where not skilled. For generations they remained unskilled in slums. I would condescend to agree to having an aptitude battery for the unskilled to test intelligence.


That's what I said. It has always taken several generations to turn any influx of immigrants into productive members of society. America has done it every time. Why would this time be any different? I know it's hard, but you should make an effort to learn the lessons of history.
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Quote (Shadowoffury @ Oct 16 2024 07:58pm)
That's what I said. It has always taken several generations to turn any influx of immigrants into productive members of society. America has done it every time. Why would this time be any different? I know it's hard, but you should make an effort to learn the lessons of history.


One big piece of information you're leaving out between immigrants then vs. immigrants now
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