Agreed. Even then factions would vy for power leading to perpetual war.

lol what? You think you proved that no god exists? You said that evolution is real, and that planets form by natural phenomena... basically, you said that the fundamental forces of the universe exist. I agree with that. It is not proof that there is no prime mover.

You seem to not understand what is required to prove that no god exists. You have to show me where the fundamental forces come from, if not a god. You have to show me what kicked off the big bang, if not a god.

If you want to change your position to "I can't prove a god exists" I'll agree with you, but that's not what you said.

In your view. We disagree what Constitutes evidence. The universe doesn't require a prime mover.

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I agree, it's possible there is no prime mover. Again, that isn't what you said. You said that you have evidence that there is no god.

We do not disagree on what constitutes evidence. You know you have not disproven the possibility of a prime mover.

god does not exist

grow up

I would say zero indication of a prime mover is evidence there isn't one.

how are they the same? Do atheist give money to someone that explains why there is no God nope...But each sunday Religious people give to someone explaining God's miracles ..Atheist do not need to belong to a occult types of Atheist like Moonies or Mormons or whatever floats your boat...Religious people always say they are being attacked..But usually Religious people the ones attacking atheist throughout history true? Giordano Bruno, who was burned at the stake by the Catholic Church in 1600 for supporting the theory that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

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That is true, even with a strong Emperor with a long reach you still have internal power struggles and ideological feeding causing perpetual conflict, as evidenced historically with British and Roman Empire internal conflicts

I would say "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."