Quote (Goomshill @ 28 Jun 2024 10:25)
I didn't get to watch the debate and finish it until just now and heard the doomsaying on the news reports about it so I'll get my reactions now
I don't think Biden was anywhere as bad as pundits were making it out to be. He clearly had trouble enunciating and mumbled a few times and trailed off once badly, but it wasn't a crash and burn performance. I've seen crash and burn, this wasn't it. He kept coming back and picked up as it went on. But Trump was clearly on point and coherent and kept at least some wit and perspective, Biden really didn't, he was struggling the whole time. So while its clearly a Trump win, its not as bad as they make it out.
Both Biden and Trump did a whole lot of the bullshit spewing talking points where they lied about something to make the other side look bad. Where if you've followed politics you know just how baloney it is. Trump with his 'post birth abortions' remark where the governor clearly misspoke / had a stupid phrasing, and Biden with his 'good people on both sides' nonsense. But they weren't equal in this regards: Trump only one or two of these shit talking points, Biden was relentlessly hammering on about it negatively and way higher on the bullshit-o-meter while Trump kept trying to pivot back to policy differences like immigration in particular. Yet at the same time, Biden was more direct and coherent with his bullshit attacks on Trump, while Trump phrased his stuff about 'russia russia russia, prosecutor, laptop, etc' that would be totally incomprehensible to someone not already versed in the scandals. You can't get up on stage and accuse someone of something involving a laptop, you have to make an actual accusation. Little old granny who doesn't watch fox news 24/7 doesn't grappled with Biden getting millions of dollars sent through his family from an oligarch and then turning around and holding up foreign aid to get a prosecutor investigating that oligarch fired. You need to say it like that, not whatever connect-the-dots conspiracy shit Trump did.
Also both candidates were pretty equal in the way they relentlessly spun from one topic to another to avoid answering the original question, but that has more to do with the format, they couldn't let the other guy get the last word, but it also meant skipping over subjects. Trump just flat ignored a question about how to deal with the opioid epidemic to talk about the previous point, but Biden wandered so far off topic too it was hard to follow.
And I had only seen out of context clips about them comparing golf scores. I was truly surprised when Trump was the one who interrupted it to say "lets not act like children". Shit, neither Biden nor the moderators got that in line and Trump is being the sensible one to pull away from his type of shitposting?
It wasn't a complete meltdown from Biden, but it was a really subpar performance in terms of coherence, sharpness, energy level. And that was with him being drugged up as best as his handlers could.
But yeah, it's really noticeable how the CNN and MSM pundits immediately pounced after the debate was over and trashed Biden's performance - the same types which had previously been on his side and even run interference for him on countless occasions.
I stand by my theory that this is a concerted effort to push him off the ballot and try their luck with someone else, whether it's Kamala or someone else.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 28 2024 02:41am
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