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Feb 7 2024 11:10am
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Feb 7 2024 07:52am)
Where are you going with this? Are you talking about when I said....

Hindus do the same thing. Muslims do the same thing. Jews do the same thing. Catholics do the same thing.

Because I was talking about all religious faiths I just didn't list all 2,000+ :bouncy:

edit: The point I was making is really simple. If you don't spend years studying all religions/philosophies how can you have a truly informed opinion or have a genuine experience/connection with the "God" you worship?

This is across all careers and life paths. It takes a LONG time for a lot of people to "master" something. Any discipline you can think of.

But when it comes to religion and "God" people seem to think all they need to do is put faith/hope in "Allah" or "Yahweh" or "Christ" or "Krishna" or "Buddha".

Vedanta which is the philosophy I practice simply admit the odds of you "realizing God" in this lifetime/incarnation is EXTREMELY RARE which is proven by the small number of "Master teachers" most religious people follow.

When was the last time you heard about a new "Master Teacher"??? You didn't because basically since Jesus Christ there hasn't been one. Of course many gurus/swamis/imams/rabbi's/priests who "interpret the word of God" can become well known and respected but they don't actually become that "Master teacher".

This is why more then half the worlds population follows teachers who died 2,000 years ago because the message they spread transcends time and is considered an "eternal truth".

For me personally it wasn't enough for me to truly "realize God" in my own way. For me to actually "feel" a connection with God. For me to even be able to contemplate this thing/persona we call "God".

By studying the Eastern religions/philosophies that I knew NOTHING about I was able to bridge the gap and see that all religions preach the same "truth" just in different ways.

That's why I said people are "lazy spiritualist" or non-spiritual because they don't want to do the work.

When people on this forum or in real life try and tell me what/who God is I know by their answer if they studied religion/theology or if they just "stuck with the religion they were born into" and there's nothing wrong with that just don't get mad at someone who sees God everywhere and in all religions.


what i posted was just a curious observation and that hasnt changed.

i can defend my belief. what else is there?

perhaps the biggest event? being delivered from alcoholism. what do you have that compares to that?

true i didnt study everything. but when it is discoverd that something proves itself. are you supposed to shelve it because everything hasnt been looked at.
put it to the test. what do you have that makes my belief false?
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part of my testimony
i began my journey. with a thought. as i was sitting in front of the computer getting drunk again playing video game due to health problems. the thought came to me to find the truth of it all. thats when my journey began. i dont know all that i researched. i used to review stuff on my old comp it it was rather surprising to me. anyway i decided to wrap it up and figured i could get back to drinking and quit being pesterd by it all. thats when a new thought came to me. it said "what about christianity" i replied "naw to dull" it said back to me "your not being honest if you dont give it a shot" i said "ok you got me"
i was so surprised what i learned ............... ya i became a christian

have you repented?
how about forgiving your trespassers. thats pretty heavy duty stuff

christianity doesnt appeal to the flesh. but its undeniable, its a better way. thats was perhaps the first thing i learned

This post was edited by TiStuff on Feb 7 2024 11:24am
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Quote (TiStuff @ 7 Feb 2024 11:10)
what i posted was just a curious observation and that hasnt changed.

i can defend my belief. what else is there?

perhaps the biggest event? being delivered from alcoholism. what do you have that compares to that?

true i didnt study everything. but when it is discoverd that something proves itself. are you supposed to shelve it because everything hasnt been looked at.
put it to the test. what do you have that makes my belief false?
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I still don't know where you are going with this? Maybe you misinterpreted what I said or vice versa.

There's nothing wrong with following the religion you were born into. I'm still Catholic but I studied other religions/philosophies to develop a better relationship with Jesus Christ?

Never once did I say your belief is false I simply said your belief becomes stronger as you "study" other religions/philosphies because you notice similarities which bolster your faith.

When I became initiated into Vedanta my Swami never said you have to denounce your Catholic faith and Jesus Christ. Never once said you have to read this Hindu text to understand a "deeper truth". He knew I was a good person already from my upbringing in the Catholic faith so his message was simple. Manifest a stronger relationship with Christ everyday anyway you can. For me that was reading other religious texts and doing a lot of volunteering.

Props to you on making it through alcoholism. My mentor who was a very successful software architect was a high functioning alcoholic. He was destroying his relationship with his wife and kids and sought God. He's an unbelievable person.

My biggest event was having a near death experience when I was 19 and being hospitalized for 10 days in an ICU. I experienced "egodeath" and stood at St. Peter's gate. I was given a 2nd chance at life through Jesus Christ. I was a good person but before God I was shown the error in my ways. Lying/Stealing/Hubris basically breaking the 10 commandments and sort of making the excuse, "Well I was young and young people make mistakes". Each sin carried 100x the weight average Christians/Catholics seem to think. I basically though at the age of 19 that as long as I didn't kill anyone that the other sins could be forgiven. God showed me that wasn't true. I made a promise to God that I would never LIE again. White lie/Black lie all the same.

Ever since then "not telling a lie" destroyed relationships I had because I was BRUTALLY HONEST. That's why you don't see me sugar coating shit and I'll never change the way I speak because I speak from the heart unabashed just like Christ did.

I would challenge any believer in Christ to try and not tell a single lie and tell yourself telling a lie is just as bad as murder(all sins carry the same weight). Trust that you will align yourself with God after that and you will feel the same pain Christ did. You'll be treated like shit or hated amongst your peers just for speaking the "truth".

“As different streams having different sources all mingle their waters in the sea, so different tendencies, various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to God.”
― Swami Vivekananda


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Feb 7 2024 12:58pm
fragile white egos on full display here , classic :lol:
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Quote (gnarjay @ Feb 7 2024 10:58am)
fragile white egos on full display here , classic :lol:


check your privilege.
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Quote (TiStuff @ Feb 7 2024 11:21am)
check your privilege.


Im fully aware of it, do you see me complaining about black history month? no, because im not a racist piece of trump trash
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Feb 7 2024 04:39pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Feb 7 2024 01:58pm)
fragile white egos on full display here , classic :lol:





I'd guess the fragile egos are those that need a black history month.
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Feb 7 2024 04:42pm
Quote (Ghot @ Feb 7 2024 02:39pm)
I'd guess the fragile egos are those that need a black history month.


Who is more fragile, the ones crying about it or the people who its about? cmon Ghot, dont think too hard now
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Quote (gnarjay @ Feb 7 2024 05:42pm)
Who is more fragile, the ones crying about it or the people who its about? cmon Ghot, dont think too hard now




Like I said... the ones that "need" a black history month.
Psych 101 doncha know. :/
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Quote (Ghot @ Feb 7 2024 03:33pm)
Like I said... the ones that "need" a black history month.
Psych 101 doncha know. :/


I wouldnt expect a Jim-Crow era dinosaur like you to ever change ;)
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