For sure. Most Americans needs a vehicle just to get groceries because they're too fat to carry a few bags home 15 minutes. There's never going to be the ability to think like a migrant.

I get that folks like you and that demon who piggybacked off your post to laugh at Americans want nothing more than the United States to be overrun by illegals and are going to explain how this is just “too complex” to do literally anything about, but here me out. How about seeing what would happen if we actually built the wall and enforced federal law without nonstop lawfare to make it seem like the obvious solution won’t work.

Enforce existing laws.
Physically bar human beings from trespassing on American soil.
Problem not solved but the majority of it disappears immediately.

Not take literally every fucking step of this idea to the Supreme Court.

Companies like that will always look for cheap labor and it would be an extremely hard battle to weed out, but fines I think are a good idea. Demand for cheap labor will always be a thing and trying to fight that is fighting against nature itself, an inherently losing battle in capitalism which tries to maximizes profits (with one of the inputs being minimizing costs aka labor costs)

To me a bigger issue is the fact that you have states & government bodies that really aren't aligned on illegal immigration. The whole notion of sanctuary cities seems completely out of whack with how things should function. When you have liberal states and/or cities saying things like we wont enforce deporations, we will actively undermine ICE, etc. how do you actually expect to solve this?

So i mean, going after the businesses is one thing, but the municipalities or states that issue license or refuse to notify the feds or arrest illegal immigrants to me is a much bigger enabler.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 23 2024 12:00pm

Building a wall out of metal to stop Mexican people traffickers is like building a wall out of apologies to keep Canadians out of Tim Hortons.

Strawman. Not me bro. I want Americans to wake up from this futile oscillation between right and left, realise they are the leaders of the free world and start acting like it.

Border control is a real issue, but isn't the prison industrial complex a way bigger issue? Or gun control or the drug epidemic?

Your talking about building a wall around a room thats on fire.

tbh im not well versed enough anymore on the economic impact of sanctuary cities. they're obviously an economic drain and a procedural nightmare for ICE to navigate, but idk if in a $$ sense they're worth the fuss that their press garners. if a city wants to absolutely tank its reputation and economy to harbor cheap labor idk what the fed can do other than rescind money for infrastructure of blockade social program money. but afaik its a watershed, so states get money and send it to cities. so you'd have to black out a whole state.

Illegal cheap labor is both a benefit and hurts a city. In simplest terms, illegal immigrants provide cheaper labor and therefore final output costs for services should be cheaper and that should be transferred onto the consumer. It may hurt a city/state though because of the added social safety net costs while not contributing in taxation even though they obviously benefit from the roads, parks, etc. The analysis of cost-benefit is probably fairly convoluted.

Years back me and my friends used to go to this Mexican restaurant regularly. Primary reason why is because it was really good and the reason it was so good is that it actually had Mexicans doing all the cooking. It was a running joke that all regulars knew that the place had illegal immigrants running the kitchen. It took over 2 years for the city to shut down the place and clean that up. There's a lot of cases like this, and yeah we can say okay lets crack down on these places but real issue is why did it take the city so long, with the place up and running again within 3 months.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 23 2024 12:19pm

Flawed argument.

Your opening the book in the middle on this one....

Feel free to elaborate, especially because my post was a question not an argument.

no need. you know what your doing.