interesting how your lot is so against abortion but are willing to turn a blind eye to priests molesting children, really shows what your Christian values are

I'm an atheist. ^^
Ya just don't kill defenseless babies. Even dogs know that....



See 2:52 in this video...



This post was edited by Ghot on Jan 8 2024 09:37pm

I'll bet you 1000 fg that he was raped by a priest

The question itself is flawed. Not sure why no one is pointing it out since a ton of people are jumping on the anti-abortion bandwagon but generally the argument is that this is a pro-choice vs pro-life discussion. To expand on this, a lot of pro-choice advocates are pro-life in their personal life. The one thing that pro-abortion advocates are trying to endorse is that the choice of getting an abortion should be up to the individual and not restricted. It protects the choice more so than the actual physical body. It never made sense to me that people can take such a complex situation and dwindle it down to a binary yes or no answer. The general response I get is "why should we leave the choice up the individual instead of society?" - good question and it isn't easy to answer. There is a term called sonder and it means:



It highlights the complexity and highlights that each individual's life is unique. The decision to make such a monumental decision should be left to the person that is living that life. No one can really understand what that person that is going through. Really encompasses the saying:



The choice is kept open and personal so that the person that is taking the action is the one that will be bearing the consequences of the action.


Let me provide a scenario and let's see what people say about it:

A woman that is putting herself through college after working hard in her early twenties to gather money so she can graduate without any debt. She has a boyfriend and they both use protection but both fail and she becomes pregnant.
The boyfriend is not in a position is take care of the child and the both people in the relationship don't have the time or financial capability to take care of the child. Now with the current laws in some states, the mother will need to most likely drop out of school,
potentially work some odd jobs to save up some money for the upcoming pregnancy, and finally most likely need to take care of the child until some level of maturity which she would most likely need to maintain in a low income situation because of her needing to drop out of school.

A responsible woman made a relatively safe decision with her partner but due to unfortunate luck, it didn't work out. What is the better option?

1. Most likely derail 2 people's lives and probably raise a child at a bare minimum income level.
2. Perform an abortion, accept the emotional and mental consequences, continue with her life and have another child when she is financial, emotionally, and mentally stable enough to raise a child.

Yes, you save a person's life with option 1 but at a cost (the quality of the full family is impacted). Not to mention that it will most likely have an impact on the child's future as well (being raised in low income scenarios don't produce positive results). This is all assuming the mother is mentally and emotionally strong enough to go through this.

The reason the choice is important is because each scenario is not black and white. If you really think about it logically, if this was really a pro-life issue then why not just have a law to be abstinent until marriage? This will probably have a larger impact. The reason why people opt out of the 2nd option is because it personally impacts them and their choice. It is weird because people can't really reason logically until it impacts their day to day life.

Again, hopefully this helps but its not as a easy as "don't kill babies". There is a lot of complexity and there is a level of respect that is provided by society to the individual when we allow them to make their choice (with the help from their healthcare physician).

This post was edited by umeshieee on Jan 8 2024 09:56pm

an embryo is not a baby sir, not yet at least

That's the whole problem though.
No one really knows when that bun in the oven becomes aware.

Over time people have begun to treat pregnancy like a... test drive.
They want to wait all the way up to the time of birth to have an abortion.

The only creatures on this planet that run around having sex with out considering the consequences... are some animals.
And that's what this is really about... having sex without consequences.

Well, I hate to break it to folks... but sex does have consequences.
If I were Will Smith, I'd say something like: "Well if you don't START no trouble, there won't BE no trouble".

And all this "my body, my choice" crap is just that... crap. You HAD your choice, when you spread your legs.



For things like rape or life threatening situations... they have those 48 hour abortion pills.
There really is no abortion issue. It's just an excuse a lot of folks have... "come up with", so they could run around poking anything that walks. ^^

This is your belief. I accept you, and I am glad you believe in something, but I do not affirm your belief. If that makes sense.

Can you do the same for me?

so this whole thread is under the assumption that if you don't die from something then it doesnt matter? weird take. especially because u didnt title it "protect women's lives" you used "bodies".

late stage pregnancy, giving birth, c-sections, etc all change a woman's body. not for the better. source: women.

Take it up with the female protestors who chant this shit.

i dont think you understand what i said.

if the topic is "protecting women's lives", as in their ability to not die, abortion is a terrible argument. mother mortality rate, as u stated, is very low in the first world.

if the topic is "protecting women's bodies", you posted this not me, then abortion is a very valid thing for that. pregnancy is very harmful to women's bodies.

both of these are potentially interesting topics, but you conflated them in your topic's opening post. and it reads like you dont know what pregnancy does to a body.