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Dec 5 2023 05:43am
Whether you think he deserves to be put in a mental institution or prison, it doesn't matter.

The only thing that matters is ultimately what the Court decides. Instead of speculating or giving such an opinion, I for one would rather just see it play out. Whatever happens, happens. That's all there is to it.
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Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Dec 5 2023 12:51am)
which is ironic because dizzy says he's a ticking time bomb, but doesn't want him to be in prison, but wants to be with case workers at a mental institution. his solution is literally setting up this degenerate scumbag to put another staff member in a coma or get a beatdown, and the cycle will continue


I agree with dizzy here

You have to understand that a mental institution is different than a prison in terms of training, on site emergency medications, and intervention capability overall. Workers at mental institutions undoubtedly receive regular abuse, but largely nothing life threatening. There is a safety first attitude. Do you know how many paranoid schizophrenics more dangerous than this kid are locked up in these facilities.

A prison, a school, these are the places more violence is likely to ensue, due to a lack of these safe guards. The mother is likely correct that prison will be a death sentence for this guy. As a society we should be thinking what do we do with our extreme medically ill. Do we sentence them to death or house them permanently away from the public? As I said, I agree with dizzy and think being a first class nation we should take care of our mentally ill, while simultaneously protecting the public. A mental institution would serve both of these goals. Now if you’re looking for blood and justice, I think we need to be more critical to how we got here in the first place

arguably, the school SHOULD have had more safeguards in place. It is undoubtedly clear this teacher was a victim, but also untrained. If you look closely the teacher does not seem to have independent legal representation, from what I am gathering it is the school board that is representing her.

This is absolutely fucking telling.

The school wants to portray this as a one off, deflecting any blame and attention off itself and give this kid the maximum penalty. Anything less would imply there was more mental health in play and the school will need to answer questions on proper protocols. I truly think there is a case to be made for the teacher against the school and against the group home.

The group home insisting they know better than the mother and sending him to public school with multiple warnings, only for something terrible to happen - I don’t understand how there isn’t more spotlight on them

There is a comedy of errors here by multiple parties. Fault isn’t always black and white, some pun intended

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arguably, the school SHOULD have had more safeguards in place. It is undoubtedly clear this teacher was a victim, but also untrained. If you look closely the teacher does not seem to have independent legal representation, from what I am gathering it is the school board that is representing her.

This is absolutely fucking telling.

The school wants to portray this as a one off, deflecting any blame and attention off itself and give this kid the maximum penalty. Anything less would imply there was more mental health in play and the school will need to answer questions on proper protocols. I truly think there is a case to be made for the teacher against the school and against the group home.

The group home insisting they know better than the mother and sending him to public school with multiple warnings, only for something terrible to happen - I don’t understand how there isn’t more spotlight on them


Good points and I agree.

Maybe some of us can reach out to the victim and tell her that she should sue the group home and maybe the school.

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Whether you think he deserves to be put in a mental institution or prison, it doesn't matter.

The only thing that matters is ultimately what the Court decides. Instead of speculating or giving such an opinion, I for one would rather just see it play out. Whatever happens, happens. That's all there is to it.


If we could not give an opinion unless we are a part of the judiciary, what is the point of having discussions at all?

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Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Dec 4 2023 11:04pm)
that's literally what you said, scroll up.

you were probably the person that voted no on Nikolas Cruz's jury


Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Dec 4 2023 11:29pm)
Okay enjoy spending energy crying about it :thumbsup:


Can you fags shut up lol
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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Dec 4 2023 11:13pm)
As I said, it was better but not really "good faith" IMO and answering in such bad faith initially doesn't win you brownie points

It's different from sociopathy because he doesn't have sociopathy lol. He has severe autism, ADHD, oppositional defiance disorder and reactive explosive disorder.

Do you know what autism is? That is my reference to him having the mentality of a child, I can post a description of it if you consider this a dodge though

It's not for you to explain what the mitigating factors aren't, just to demand he be sent to prison? Do you live near him or something?

Those are not the "facts of the case" that is your framing of 2 details of the case, those are different things. It is very surprising that the severely mentally disabled kid didn't say something more sympathetic as he was being dragged away though, I'll give you that one.... :bonk:

Do you know what the previous incidents were?


I have had many autistic friends, many of whom are incredibly normal. It's a huge disservice to the progress made over the years to blame mindless violence by way of him having autism. Bold, yes, it's normal to ask that people who maliciously commit serious violent crimes be held accountable for their actions. He spoke in court, he's cognizant and aware, he understood both the plea and the nuance that his lawyers had not agreed with prosecution on sentencing.

In the case of both sociopathy and "oppositional defiance / reactive explosive disorder", the crime can be sourced to an underlying condition. Why shouldn't they be treated similarly?

Aren't you the pro-Hamas supporter? Why are you in such a rush to blame violence on externalities?
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