Quote (YeeHaw @ Nov 7 2023 08:05am)

The shooting or motive are not the story here.

The story is how blatantly the government and media jumps on any tragic event which by the weakest means allows them to demonize *gasp* republicans (as if there is even a difference anymore), guns, or white people. These sick fucks will take any opportunity to gleefully dance on dead bodies if it lets them score votes.

This is a glaring example. The White House explicitly said the victim is the shooter herself. That is unheard of, but they will do and say anything to keep a strong hold on the votes of anybody who isn’t a straight white man, who isn’t the key demographic to winning elections.

There was a clear effort to cover up any motive. Every single time there is an opportunity to spin something into a “hate crime”, or if it actually is a “hate crime”, we have every piece of evidence pointing towards that before the bodies cool down, as well as a national conversation. This time they did not release any specific information and there was a national conversation about how sad and oppressed trans lunatics are. To hell with the white Christian’s who were massacred.

Remember that car that plowed over a Christmas parade and indiscriminate murdered what, like twenty white Christian in Wisconsin? Those damned ford explorers man. Had nothing to do with explicit hatred of white people and black supremacy.

If you are just going to high road this, you clearly don’t understand what the issue is.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 7 2023 08:06am)

the counter argument, a BAD one, is that anti-white and woke ideologies create many more mentally ill sickos. or at the least radicalize the ones who do exist to commit violent acts. but thats not an argument against enforcement and bolstering systems to identify and stop them before they murder people. whether it does cause a significant increase or not doesnt matter, without the ideologies being prevelant they still exist and without radicalization from society can still self radicalize. so they need to be combatted pre-emptively.

Quote (Bazi @ Nov 7 2023 08:09am)

Yeah I mean that’s obviously fucked up. There are some very valid points here but I think it’s probably more centered around media and reactions than it is primary causation. People shouldn’t be so quick to look at their note cards and immediately side with their identify politics. Which happens too often

I followed that parade massacre case daily. I spent 5 years in Waukesha. He will thankfully get murdered while in prison

Quote (YeeHaw @ Nov 7 2023 08:16am)

The truth is that sick fucks like this are going to murder people no matter what. The issue is how other sick little fucks want to use this obvious truth to take my right to fill my trailer with guns and ammo that I may have the opportunity to play with a few times a year.

Quote (Bazi @ Nov 7 2023 04:03pm)

But I think focusing on this point, actually takes away from tackling the issue of mass shootings specifically, since it is objectively an outlier

To the question that you didn’t answer, and I think you would agree with me, is that this individual was a mentally deranged person that escaped the radar, like so many others… which gets closer to the crux of this issue. Tackling the mental health epidemic

Quote (Bazi @ Nov 7 2023 09:13am)

You go to the extremes of the spectrum and it doesn’t matter L, R, up or down there are going to be radicals there. I’m 100% for any policy to limit radicalization at any of these extremes, and also identify radicals. Cliche but I think it still all comes downs to mental health, no matter where you are on the compass. I’m not saying wokism doesn’t exist here. I do think the private sector is in part helping the pendulum swing back, take a look at Disney’s fortunes over the last few years. The dollar is the ultimate driver

Quote (theCrossbones @ Nov 7 2023 04:21pm)

So to the OP. Taking your example we can all blame outlets like fox news Newsmaxx etc for the shooters that claimed conservative viewpoints and they were all radicalized form them ? Or this only works one way??

Quote (HeLiCaL @ Nov 7 2023 08:25am)

In this particular case, the mentally deranged person probably did not escape the radar at all.

Instead, her gender dysphoria clearly showed up on the radar, and instead of being cured - per the modern Left-wing doctrine - this mental illness of her was glorified, nurtured & supported - resulting in her "transition".

western Left-wing, the same that you know is responsible for anti-White hateful rhetoric, is also responsible for letting gender dysphoria mental illness play out with their FULL SUPPORT, instead of tackling this mental health epidemic with actual treatment.

Quote (Bazi @ Nov 7 2023 04:27pm)

Sure, I have my views on the exponential rise of transgender coupled with mental Illness, however

This is a distraction when speaking about mass shootings